brendon

Sound I have ever heard, the person who said this combo sounded like a "f*cked up kazoo" was right on. It sounds like HELL. I need the best sounding/flowing catback, I like loud with no rasp. I am deciding between a Hooker catback or Loudmouth with a bullet muffler, I like as loud as I can get but still deep and not raspy, and no cut outs, they are great I am sure, just not for me. Will the Hooker or Loudmouth w/bullet muffler be raspy? I am leaning toward the Hooker since I heard many people say it sounds great with off roads. Set me straight please.

Also, I feel like I lost a lot of torque at 2-3K rpms with the Hooker LTs and 3" y pipe no cats. Is it the 3" y pipe hurting my low end torque?

WeatherGuy

My setup is similar to yours, except I am running the Dynatech stepped headers and a Corsa catback. I can tell you that it sounds very, very good. However, I do not know how much of that is due to extra cubes, etc - I do think that all of the longtubes should sound basically the same. The 3" y-pipe did not hurt me at all, but once again I have extra cubes, so it might make a difference? <img src="images/icons/confused.gif" border="0"> Please note that almost no one has posted good results with Flowmaster systems on LS1s, so that might be affecting your car's performance a little.

I would not recommend the LM. On the other hand, from what I have heard others say, the Hooker supposedly sounds good with your type of setup. I used to own a Hooker - flows well and sounds good, but has cheap construction quality - I also did not have it when I got the headers, the 422, and the off-road.

If you have the money, I would recommend the Corsa, but it definitely ain't the cheapest.

[ February 13, 2002: Message edited by: WeatherGuy ]</p>

brendon

I would LOVE to get a Corsa but I can't afford that after the headers and cam. I am leaning toward the Hooker only because people have said that it doesn't rasp with no cats. Does anyone have that set up?

As far as performance, I just reset my computer and only have put about 10 miles since then so that might be some of the reason for a mushy pedal, and I also need to A tap and MAFT tune which I will do tommorrow, but that freakin flowmaster sounds worse than a fart pipe on a Nissan Sentra <img src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" border="0"> <img src="graemlins/gr_barf.gif" border="0" alt="[barf]" /> <img src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" border="0" alt="[guns]" /> Flowmater

Damian

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Brendon, I have preached and praised this essay so many times I can't even count. If you're looking for an EXCELLENT performing catback that show better gains that other systems twice the price, and EXCELLENT sound without cats, and very affordable price.......HOOKER. There is no substitute. Screw rigging up some mufflers and crap. Just slap on a Hooker system, and be done with it. You'll be happy, I promise.


FWIW, I feel your pain about the shitty sound. I ran wide open Macs w/ a Loudmouth a while back. Was the most horrible f-cking sound I ever heard in my life.

brendon

I think I am going to go with Hooker then, I have been debating getting a catback for a while but wanted headers first to let my cam breath, but now with the headers on it is so embarrassing to even drive it around.... well with the way it is now I guess I could just slip in with the ricer crowd and cruise around blowing off my fart pipe <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">

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Mike K.

LOL Brendon,, I just switched to the hooker from the Loudmouth cause it was too damn loud, I guess I'm getting old, The hooker is much better on my ears and does sound good (no drone) I have not put my headers on yet but from what others have said the hooker is the best system for ORPs to get rid of the rasp, Hell one day I may even switch to the Dual Dual with some cutouts if the hooker starts rusting and falling apart on me.

TA_2001

Wetall... just keep the tips clean, that is were
the corrosion is happening.. I dont own hookers
but they were my 2nd choice.. I got the macs.
they have held up very nice for 12Kmiles and one
year.

pics of mac catback..
http://ls1info.com/modules.php?set_a...view_photo.php

MADCOW

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This is just great. I have a Flowmaster catback. I think it sounds good right now but I just got the Hooker LT's but haven't installed them yet. Would the borla XR-1 muffler sound just as shitty?
I heard that it has a good sound to it.

CHRISPY

Look at the dynomax Ultraflo welded 3 inch muffler as well. Single 3 inch in and single 3 inch out. That sounds awesome with no resonance and flow over 1000cfm.
Cheers,
Chris

RPM WS6

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I recommend the SLP 2OTL. It flows as good or better than any other catback, and doesn’t rasp with off road pipes from the cars I’ve heard. I have Flowmaster now, but I have a 2OTL system on order because I can’t stand that horrible rasp either.

I have been a long time supporter of Flowmaster products. I have gotten into many arugments with other board members (on many boards) while trying to defend FM, but even I’ve finally given up on FM. I recently heard a 2OTL system on a H/C car with FLPs and ORPs and it was the best sound I’ve ever heard. Also, this system is fully stainless steel and still only $399 (cheap compared to the other SS catbacks). I have seen no proof ever that any system outflows 2OTL. That is part of why I chose it.

Speed Demon

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Go for the Hooker. I have Macs + O/R and T1 cam.

It is loud but it's quieter than my friend's set up FLP + no cats and Random Tech.

There is no rasp but it does get louder between 2k and 2.5k.

I think is sounds good.

haole_boySS

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Brendon, I sent you a private message.

Linear Velocity

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I'll be installing Grott 1 7/8's headers with a 3" Off road pipe and a loudmouth, I'll let you guys know how it sounds

bigSS

Hey guys got a question for ya - If you run an ORP w/ a catback, do you think it would be louder or queiter comparend to a loudmouth with cats? My only exhaust mod now is the loudmouth. I wouldn't want anything louder. I've considered going to the Hooker catbacks w/ Hooker LTs (no cats). Thoughts?

Visceral

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Its just going to get louder when you gut the cats or put in off-road pipes. Also a few resonances might develop.

THe loudmouth sounds loud and aggressive for people with stock exhausts otherwise. Other than that use, I would only suggest it to a deaf person.

Just my opinion, and I am probably getting old and crotchety anyways.

\chris

Damian

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Guy's, I am going to tell you now. If you really enjoy driving your car, do not run a Loudmouth with ORP's. If you don't want to be embarassed driving your car, do not run this setup...

I drove around with Macs, ORP, and the Loudmouth for about 4 months. The sound was so god awful, I was to embarassed to bring the car over 2K rpm's. I have formally named rasp between 2000-2500 the ATOMIC FART. Why? Because that's exactly what it sounds like. Maybe a wounded duck is a better choice of words. You think I am kidding? I am not, I am dead serious. The rasp of straight through exhaust on an LS1 is hideous. Unfortunately the alum. block and different firing order doesn't make for a pleasant sound without cats and mufflers on these motors.

On cammed cars the sound is somewhat changed, and doesn't sound "as bad". But if you own a stock motor LS1, I would definatley reconsider the Loudmouth/ORP setup.


Josh

brendon

Josh: Thanks for removing that temptation to get the loudmouth out of my head. I always wanted the loudmouth with the stock manifolds because it sounded so good, and for some reason I kepp thinking that it will sound the same but louder with no cats but now that I hear it sounds like awful, I will definetly stay away from it, I can imagine what the "Atomic Fart" sounds like, I am going to get the Hooker for sure, since it is cheap, sounds good, and no rasp.

Damian

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[quote]Originally posted by brendon:
<strong>Josh: Thanks for removing that temptation to get the loudmouth out of my head. I always wanted the loudmouth with the stock manifolds because it sounded so good, and for some reason I kepp thinking that it will sound the same but louder with no cats but now that I hear it sounds like awful, I will definetly stay away from it, I can imagine what the "Atomic Fart" sounds like, I am going to get the Hooker for sure, since it is cheap, sounds good, and no rasp.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Good choice Brendon, I am positive you won't be disappointed. I agree about the Loudmouth on stock manifolds/cats. I ran the Loudmouth when my car was stock and loved it. As soon as I installed the headers....VRRMM BLAP BLAP BLAP VRRRRM <img src="gr_eek2.gif" border="0">


Like my impersonation? <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">

DailyAluminumBlock

I had a custom 3 inch y maid along with a 3" intermediate and single flowmaster delta 40 series and like the way it sounds alot. Just my opinion. I cannot comment on the performance as I put on the hooker long tubes at the same time.

brendon

If you have a 40 series flowmaster you must just have a single in single out right? I think that the design of the flowmaster made for our f-bodies creates the farting sounds, as they are turned sidewards and sounds like the motor is firing a semi automatic BB gun into a tin can, basically a horrid sound. Above 3K rpms it smooths out but rolling into the pedal from 2K in 4th, 5th, and 6th gear is <img src="gr_emb.gif" border="0">