Pro Stock John

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Those are some very stout #'s

I sometimes think about upgrading to LS6 heads.

Terry Burger

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Nice spike on the SAE dyno. <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">

If nothing else you've shown us why your cars are running well at the track, while a lot of us race in conditions that lower our power from SAE, you race in conditions that boost your power almost 5%.

Mike Morgan

Hey Terry,
When you can beat me then you can start talking smack <img src="gr_tounge.gif" border="0">

Nice numbers Cartek. Did you dyno the car before hand bone stock?? I'm trying to get a feel for the '02s. The '01s seemed to be all over the place on the dyno stock. It seems to be location dependent. Maybe it's a combo of dyno variances, fuel, and conditions.

FWIW, Don't let Terry get to you guys, he's a pain in my *** too. <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0"> He just has West Coast pride.

Mike Morgan

ONYXSS

Well, I have to say that putting all the controversies aside, that Julio and Mike (MMS, on another great hp post) have some kick *** results. Regardless of which way you look at these numbers, they are very impressive. As stated above, the track will be the real test, but I find it hard to believe that Cartek and MMS wouldn't place in the top of the H/C charts with these #'s.

Congrats, Julio and Mike!!!! Your work has paid off. You guys are going to be tough to line up against in the spring!

Dave

Godspeed

[quote]Here is another chart I found on their site:

http://www.mmsracing.com/dyno_charts...gressor500.gif
<hr></blockquote>

You complain about posting STD and SAE #'s and then turn around and post Actual#'s. <img src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Quit the <img src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" border="0" alt="[whiner]" />

[ February 15, 2002: Message edited by: Godspeed ]</p>

jwaked

Very good one about the STD Nine Ball. Very good one. Those numbers are awsome. In my opinion, Julio is been very clear about the numbers with no small letters ro read. He has a great reputation and lots of satisfied customers. That tells you something.

Two questions Julio, how streetable is the cam? Also, how close to those numbers coud I get with out dyno tuning the car. I would love to dyno tune it but I live in Panama city, Panama and would have to settle for mailing you my computer.

Jay

Visceral

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I gotta hand it to you folks at Cartek, that is one awesome Heads/Cam package and install.

To make it clear, the 2-X package has to be installed by Cartek so that they can measure, clearance, and tweak everything just right. Looks like those tweaks have paid off mightily.

Who would have thought that we would have 450 rwhp cars available from chevy with just a top-end kit and intake/exhaust work???

cant mess with that. This LS1 just keeps on looking awesome. And to think that Ford thought the key was going to be going modular. HA!

Awesome work, guys.

\chris

Tekhombre

I would like to take the time to thank vmoore, Patrick G, Chris ARE 360, BIGBOS, JS, Jim98TA, Nine Ball, WeatherGuy, The Dragon, ChrisB, Visceral, TrahnZam WS6, LEO, Brownie, LS1LT1, Wide Open Throttle, Jason99T/A, Trevor D, mmiller, Z00, Pro Stock Johnny, Godspeed, jwaked, Mike Morgan, ONYXSS.

Did I miss anyone? <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">

[quote]Originally posted by Mike Morgan:
<strong>Hey Terry,
When you can beat me then you can start talking smack <img src="gr_tounge.gif" border="0">

Nice numbers Cartek. Did you dyno the car before hand bone stock?? I'm trying to get a feel for the '02s. The '01s seemed to be all over the place on the dyno stock. It seems to be location dependent. Maybe it's a combo of dyno variances, fuel, and conditions.

FWIW, Don't let Terry get to you guys, he's a pain in my *** too. <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0"> He just has West Coast pride.

Mike Morgan</strong><hr></blockquote>

Mike, the stock 02s definitely make more power but we never got a chance to dyno when it was stock. When the car came in it already had a few bolt-ons.

I'm very hard to set me off, I have dealt with too many clowns (clowns isn't what I have in mind) in my life to let this bother me, people see it for what it is and that's what matters.

My son has a "Jerry Hotdog" blow-up punching doll, I think he renamed it. <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">

Julio

wot247

mman funk teeryy burgerr..................good shiete on the 02 mann......

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Terry Burger

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[quote]
LEO, Brownie, LS1LT1, Wide Open Throttle, Jason99T/A, Trevor D, mmiller, Z00, Pro Stock Johnny, Godspeed, jwaked, Mike Morgan, ONYXSS.
Did I miss anyone?
<hr></blockquote>

Me! You forgot to thank me!!!

Maybe because I have a problem with you posting a 460rwhp non-corrected figure? Maybe because I noticed that your 450rwhp sae is from a dyno spike? Maybe it's because I pointed out that many other vendors have produced 440rwhp cars with LS1 heads? Maybe it's because I pointed out that the only reason you have quick cars is because you race in weather where 448rwhp SAE becomes 470rwhp at the track? Maybe its because I am now pointing out that perhaps there is a reason you are not showing us the "before" dynos of this car?

Either way please don't count these things against me. I beg you to reconsider and add my name to the thank you list. I can "ride your nuts" like JS and the gang do. I'll congratulate everything you do. I'll never ask a question. I'll put your name in all caps. Please JULIO, please, I beg you to reconsider.

On a side note, another vendor noticed that on his dyno the higher the raw numbers, the higher the SAE corrected numbers. I don't know if this is true, or what would cause it, but this is something we should consider and discuss.

[ February 16, 2002: Message edited by: Terry Burger ]</p>

verbs

<img src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" border="0" alt="[boring]" />

<img src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" border="0" alt="[guns]" /> To those who don't give credit where credit is due <img src="graemlins/gr_punch.gif" border="0" alt="[fight]" />

TrahnZam WS6

[quote]Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong> Maybe because I have a problem with you posting a 460rwhp non-corrected figure? Maybe because I noticed that your 450rwhp sae is from a dyno spike? Maybe it's because I pointed out that many other vendors have produced 440rwhp cars with LS1 heads? Maybe it's because I pointed out that the only reason you have quick cars is because you race in weather where 448rwhp SAE becomes 470rwhp at the track? [ February 16, 2002: Message edited by: Terry Burger ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

While all of these might be valid points, you still posted an uncorrected dyno of an MMS HC setup, and another dyno of an MMS car with a dyno spike. Pot calling the kettle black? Nawwwwww <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0"> No offense, but good weather is where its at. You cant really complain about it, do you think they should detune their cars in the cold so its more fair or what? MMS, MTI, Cartek, LG, Thunder and several other shops have all put out amazing heads cam packages, and the fact is all of these shops are competent tuners. A stout heads and cam LS1 can emberass any supra on its stock twins now, and with the right drivetrain is capable of 10 second quarter mile blasts. Lets give credit where credit is due <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> This is by no means a flame, just pointing out we should all get along and wait patiently for 470 rwhp heads cam setups to come out... <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">

mmiller

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Terry,

You may not believe this, but there are many other quality shops out there besides MMS who are credible. You come off like a spoiled sport jackass.

Show a little class and give others credit where credit is due. I don't see you running any numbers that are real impressive. It's too bad you don't live closer to MTI, Thunder, Cartek, or ARE so many of their cars could show you their tailights.

Grow up.

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[ February 16, 2002: Message edited by: mmiller ]</p>

verbs

[quote]Originally posted by TrahnZam WS6:
<strong>

Lets give credit where credit is due </strong><hr></blockquote>

Are you stealing my line??? <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">

Terry Burger

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[quote]
While all of these might be valid points, you still posted an uncorrected dyno of an MMS HC setup, and another dyno of an MMS car with a dyno spike.
<hr></blockquote>

I'm just following Cartech's lead. In California raw dyno charts are generally lower than SAE charts. It says right on the chart that the SAE numbers are within 2hp.

Despite how you interpret my actions, my points are still valid and Cartech is still misleading. Nothing I do changes that or makes it acceptable. If you intend to defend Cartech I’d love to hear it, but let’s stay on topic OK?

Trevor @ Texas Speed & Perf.

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Quit bitching about not having a sea-level track to race at. If you want to get the #'s, then get in your car and drive to the closest track that will net you your #'s. I drove 550 miles ONE WAY to race at HRP when I still lived in Lubbock, and I did this 3 or 4 times. You can either use the altitude as your crutch or do something about it. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> There's something to be said about running the cars on the same day at the same track. Why don't you put Thunder Racing's Nov. 2nd race date on your calendar now, and then you'll be able to run a bunch of LS1's on the same day at the same track? I'm sure Julio will be there with a car or two, and you'll have a chance to quit jabbering about your altitude. <img src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

[quote]Maybe because I have a problem with you posting a 460rwhp non-corrected figure? Maybe because I noticed that your 450rwhp sae is from a dyno spike?<hr></blockquote>

It's funny how these techniques worked for you, but now they're the center of your argument against Cartek. <img src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Crazyquik

Will this car be raced much? Should be good for some bottom 11s, great work guys <img src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" border="0">

mmiller

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The bottom line is this...Terry doesn't have the car to back up his B.S.!! Terry, drag your *** to on of the cities that has a track you claim to benefit everyone and lets see what kind of ET you lay down. Screw dyno numbers! The ONLY number that matters is the ET!!!

Quit your crying and sack up biatch!!!!!!!

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Nine Ball

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Terry, are you allowed to park in the Handicapped spots while you continue to use California as your crutch?

Bring your *** to the Thunder Racing event in November.... maybe you can even get MMS to sponsor the trip?

Otherwise, your excuses just make you look worse.

Tony

LS1derfull

CALIFORNIA RACETRACKS, BTW Carlsbad is either sealevel or close to it, ive raced there. 2.5 hours away is Bakersfield which is Nhra National event quality IMO and has to be close to sea level with good air(raced with my quickest times there) So tracks out there are at least average compared to most of the tracks in America.
Admittedly Carlsbad starting line was inconsistent but i went mid 10's on a 9" tire there! Bottomline Cali. is no excuse fo mediocre times. <img src="gr_tounge.gif" border="0">