ARE stage 2, 2.055, or 2.08 valves?
ARE stage 2, 2.055, or 2.08 valves? It's an option, and I went with the 2.055, not knowing what the differences were. Any advantage with the larger one? I'm combining this with TR224-112 cam, dual springs, titanium retainers. I will also be spraying at least 150, along with the head & cam.
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Re: ARE stage 2, 2.055, or 2.08 valves? If you ever go all bore the 2.08s are better but will still require CC work. For your current requirements, your choice is fine <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
Cheers, going to be a strong combo by the sounds of it!
What compression are you going with?
Chris
Cheers, going to be a strong combo by the sounds of it!
What compression are you going with?
Chris
Re: ARE stage 2, 2.055, or 2.08 valves? I'm keeping the compression stock, because I already have the cam & pushrods. What are the gains in going with a higher compression over what I have? Is it worth bumping it up? How much can I safely bump it?
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Re: ARE stage 2, 2.055, or 2.08 valves? may i ask (NO flame here). Why didnt you go with the GTP heads that Thunder Racing carries? You are using their cam <img src="images/icons/confused.gif" border="0">
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Re: ARE stage 2, 2.055, or 2.08 valves? Better price, proven product, dual springs for almost as much as GTP's single spring, and I'm in Michigan, so Canada is only a stones throw away if I need to take it to ARE. It's a long drive to Texas or to Thunder if I need assistance. The guys and gal at Thunder are great to deal with, and my decision had nothing to do with them, but as stated, price & location. I'm sure I'll be in good hands with ARE, as it appears they have great customer service. I haven't seen any bad experiences with them that Nick didn't take care of. Ya gotta like service like that, eh..
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Re: ARE stage 2, 2.055, or 2.08 valves? i agree the service is great....but im confused here....
"proven product" where? and GTP heads arent?
"better price" huh? 2400 vs. 1999 with single 918's and 2499 with dual springs....$100 difference for dual springs you dont really need.
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again, not bashing anyone, just curious.
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"proven product" where? and GTP heads arent?
"better price" huh? 2400 vs. 1999 with single 918's and 2499 with dual springs....$100 difference for dual springs you dont really need.
<img src="images/icons/confused.gif" border="0">
again, not bashing anyone, just curious.
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Re: ARE stage 2, 2.055, or 2.08 valves? OnyxSS 11.14 on ARE H&C seems to be reasonable proof. Not knocking TR & GTP either (just ordered parts from TR today), but ARE's stuff is good and Nick is good to deal with and that's why I'm going with it.
BTW, my current set-up is TR cam with JPR S-1 heads. I choose what I thought were the best parts for my needs and budget and didn't hesitate to mix suppliers to acheive it.
BTW, my current set-up is TR cam with JPR S-1 heads. I choose what I thought were the best parts for my needs and budget and didn't hesitate to mix suppliers to acheive it.
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Re: ARE stage 2, 2.055, or 2.08 valves? Just because you buy a cam from somewhere doesnt mean you gotta go with their heads. My cam was from thunder racing and my heads from ARE. If I go with a 422 I'll probably keep my ARE heads and put them on the MTI shortblock with whatever cam they recommend, and thats fine too.
Why was this even brought up? <img src="images/icons/confused.gif" border="0">
Why was this even brought up? <img src="images/icons/confused.gif" border="0">
Re: ARE stage 2, 2.055, or 2.08 valves? I'll say it again, price & location. I dont care if it was only $100 (actually was almost $300, dont ask), that's more $$ I can save for a rear end or tranny.
I believe the ARE heads are more than proven. TI had it narowed down to the GTP and the ARE, so obvioudly I was impressed with the # put down by both. Did I mention price & location?
Dual springs I "dont" need? Well, I started out only planning to do the cam, until I could afford a large bore. The more I looked at it, doing the heads seemed to be the smart idea, if I only wanted to do things once.
Granted, I didn't have to get the duals, however, now I will be able to switch cams if I want, and not have to worry about anything in the valvetrain. I like the piece of mind with the duals. Call me crazy. Maybe I made the wrong choice... Not.
If you know of a Stage 2 head that will give me an extra tenth or more over the ARE, let me know, I'll cancel the order tomorrow. I have faith that this head & cam combo will put me into the high 10's, without the spray, that's just gonna be the icing on the cake.
I'm confident of my choice. Have a great day <img src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" border="0" alt="[guns]" /> <img src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" border="0" alt="[guns]" /> <img src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" border="0" alt="[guns]" /> <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[Burnout]" />
I believe the ARE heads are more than proven. TI had it narowed down to the GTP and the ARE, so obvioudly I was impressed with the # put down by both. Did I mention price & location?
Dual springs I "dont" need? Well, I started out only planning to do the cam, until I could afford a large bore. The more I looked at it, doing the heads seemed to be the smart idea, if I only wanted to do things once.
Granted, I didn't have to get the duals, however, now I will be able to switch cams if I want, and not have to worry about anything in the valvetrain. I like the piece of mind with the duals. Call me crazy. Maybe I made the wrong choice... Not.
If you know of a Stage 2 head that will give me an extra tenth or more over the ARE, let me know, I'll cancel the order tomorrow. I have faith that this head & cam combo will put me into the high 10's, without the spray, that's just gonna be the icing on the cake.
I'm confident of my choice. Have a great day <img src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" border="0" alt="[guns]" /> <img src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" border="0" alt="[guns]" /> <img src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" border="0" alt="[guns]" /> <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[Burnout]" />
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Re: ARE stage 2, 2.055, or 2.08 valves? You'll enjoy the combo plenty. <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0"> Test and Tune starts at 10 AM on April 7th at Stanton. <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
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Re: ARE stage 2, 2.055, or 2.08 valves? yeah yeah..congrats on your choice... <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
jmX...i thought you never saw over like 410rw with your ARE heads and like 5 different cams? And what about Chris/Visceral? Doesnt he have about 405 or so with STAGE 2.58473 LS6 heads????
again, just asking....and no, i am not a dumbass that thinks you need to buy the heads where you buy the cam...although, i do believe that on some level it IS a good idea.
jmX...i thought you never saw over like 410rw with your ARE heads and like 5 different cams? And what about Chris/Visceral? Doesnt he have about 405 or so with STAGE 2.58473 LS6 heads????
again, just asking....and no, i am not a dumbass that thinks you need to buy the heads where you buy the cam...although, i do believe that on some level it IS a good idea.
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Re: ARE stage 2, 2.055, or 2.08 valves? my question is the said Thunder Racing cam TR224, wasn't that out before Thunder even sold GTP heads?
also if it was that big of a deal to people why would they not get a GTP grind not a thunder grind?
sorry to take it off track
I am not sold on the big valves yet personally. i think the stock is a decent size for our bore. I believe alot of the reason they are using 2.055s or larger even is to boost the flow #s cause it will
also if it was that big of a deal to people why would they not get a GTP grind not a thunder grind?
sorry to take it off track
I am not sold on the big valves yet personally. i think the stock is a decent size for our bore. I believe alot of the reason they are using 2.055s or larger even is to boost the flow #s cause it will
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Re: ARE stage 2, 2.055, or 2.08 valves? [quote]Originally posted by The Underdog:
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jmX...i thought you never saw over like 410rw with your ARE heads and like 5 different cams? And what about Chris/Visceral? Doesnt he have about 405 or so with STAGE 2.58473 LS6 heads????
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My car did 415rwhp, 399rwtq, with the high rpm issue (tuning or valvetrain, I never found out which). If the issue hadnt been there 420-430 woulda been accessable I'm sure. I'm fine with that. The heads have 2.08 valves so it'll be easier to swap to a large bore this year. I'm sure a few more hp could come out of it if I'd gotten the smaller 2.05 valves.
And yes, I've tried many different cams. Not sure what bearing that has on this discussion though. That was for me, and I dont regret it at all...I now know exactly what cam is right for my tastes.
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jmX...i thought you never saw over like 410rw with your ARE heads and like 5 different cams? And what about Chris/Visceral? Doesnt he have about 405 or so with STAGE 2.58473 LS6 heads????
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My car did 415rwhp, 399rwtq, with the high rpm issue (tuning or valvetrain, I never found out which). If the issue hadnt been there 420-430 woulda been accessable I'm sure. I'm fine with that. The heads have 2.08 valves so it'll be easier to swap to a large bore this year. I'm sure a few more hp could come out of it if I'd gotten the smaller 2.05 valves.
And yes, I've tried many different cams. Not sure what bearing that has on this discussion though. That was for me, and I dont regret it at all...I now know exactly what cam is right for my tastes.
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Re: ARE stage 2, 2.055, or 2.08 valves? yeah....i was really just talking sh#t. either way, id like to see a good dyno from a ARE headed car. now, jmX...what is the benifit of the large valves if the chamber is still sized to a 3.9" bore. I was under the impression that the actual chamber is opened up and then fitted with the larger valves in larger bore motors. maybe im wrong. hmmm...why dont you just email me so we dont trash this thread anymore.
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Re: ARE stage 2, 2.055, or 2.08 valves? There is no benifit to larger valves on the stock bore. I bought the heads with 2.08 valves because at the time i thought a large bore motor would be in my immediate future. As it turns out, a C5 was in my immediate future instead so now I just gotta wait it out.
If somebody was planning on keeping the stock bore for 4-5 months or more when ordering heads, I'd say go with the smaller ones. I just wanted to save a few bucks in the long run.
If somebody was planning on keeping the stock bore for 4-5 months or more when ordering heads, I'd say go with the smaller ones. I just wanted to save a few bucks in the long run.
