02LS6 heads how much will they help?
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02LS6 heads how much will they help? A friend works in a parts house and he said I could probally get a job there.He said he has seen LS6 parts there.They sell parts at good discounts to employees.If I were to purchase some 02 LS6 heads how much would they help?Also plan on doing some form of cam swap.The cam may come later though.Any and all help is greatly apreciated.I'm trying to build my car on a small budget and can only afford to save and buy certain parts. <img src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" border="0">
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Re: 02LS6 heads how much will they help? Black Ls1, i think they are perfect for when your not going to do ported heads. LS6 heads flow like Ls1 stage 1 heads and have smaller chambers for more compression, great bolt on IMO. <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Re: 02LS6 heads how much will they help? Don't fool yourself, the unported LS6 heads don't flow anywhere close to what ported LS1 heads do, even with stock valves. Don't get me wrong, they're a step up from unported LS1 heads, but can't touch professionally ported LS1 heads. PERIOD!
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
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2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
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Re: 02LS6 heads how much will they help? PatrickG, refer to page 30 of May 2001 Gm High Tech, ARE did extensive flow testing stock and unported on both, you dont call 31 cfm gain at .500" lift even close to porting Ls1 heads?
I have to completely disagree with you.
I have to completely disagree with you.
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Re: 02LS6 heads how much will they help? Not only that but what about cost difference? $1200 for LS6 castings and no core charge.Higher compression, better exhaust port,2002 castings may even flow better than tested castings did. You cant say this isnt worth considering, it takes stage 2 Ls1 heads to out flow Ls6 castings and thats gonna cost.
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Verdad Gallardo Re: 02LS6 heads how much will they help? Obviously, you haven't spent much time at shops that port LS1 heads. Sure the LS6 heads are 30+ cfm better than stock UNPORTED LS1 heads. But a PORTED LS1 head is about 60-70 cfm better than stock unported LS1 head...this would make it about 30-40 cfm better than a stock unported LS6 head. See what I mean. Just trying to pass on useful information. If you trust magazines more, that's your right.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
Re: 02LS6 heads how much will they help? Casey Snider, chief head porting instructor at the School of Automotive Machinists (SAM) can consistently get 290-300 cfm at .500 lift on LS1 heads with stock valves. With 2.02 and 2.055 valves, he gets in the 300-315 range. LS6 heads are about 20 numbers better when fully ported ported. No leaky flow benches. Remember, we're talking numbers at .500. Flow numbers at .550 and .600 are even better.
You need the best instructors to train the best future head heads porters of the world. I must hang around better shops than you're used to. Oh, did I mention their car ran 9.87 on motor? They know what they're doing. Leaky flow bench, LOL!
You need the best instructors to train the best future head heads porters of the world. I must hang around better shops than you're used to. Oh, did I mention their car ran 9.87 on motor? They know what they're doing. Leaky flow bench, LOL!
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
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Re: 02LS6 heads how much will they help? How many heads has S.A.M. sold to the public?
This feels like its getting heated and thats not my intention, im not knocking anybodys credibility, especially SAM. You made a statement about this Ls6 consideration that i think is inaccurate.You said basiclly you didnt trust ARE article on flow tests. I think for the money its hard to beat LS6 castings as a choicr, i port heads and i beleive in porting and its benefits, thats not the point of this disagreement.
This feels like its getting heated and thats not my intention, im not knocking anybodys credibility, especially SAM. You made a statement about this Ls6 consideration that i think is inaccurate.You said basiclly you didnt trust ARE article on flow tests. I think for the money its hard to beat LS6 castings as a choicr, i port heads and i beleive in porting and its benefits, thats not the point of this disagreement.
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Re: 02LS6 heads how much will they help? I think its a valid swap if you only have X amount of dollars to spend. Stage 2 or higher (as some shops call them) seem to be ever increasing in price for work done. 2800 last time I checked from MTI. I think the LS6 heads are a decent upgrade for a few HP if you can get them at the right price.
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Re: 02LS6 heads how much will they help? Thanks guys.I will check on the price if I go work there.I'm going to check on some StageII heads prices also.
If I could get the LS6 heads at a deal could'nt I get them ported/polished and come out good?
If I could get the LS6 heads at a deal could'nt I get them ported/polished and come out good?
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Re: 02LS6 heads how much will they help? I agree with Patrick. You are going to spend $1200 on a set of stock/unported LS6 heads and you still will need to spend a few hundred bucks on valvesprings/retainers. You can purchase a set of GTP stage 1 heads complete with valvesprings for $1499 that I promise you will out perform the LS6 heads. So, at this point, they are roughly the same price. However, you can sell your stock heads if you did the LS6 swap. Still, I would use the ported LS1 heads (as long as they are ported well... Craig @ GTP knows what he is doing). Heck, spend a few hundred more and get the stage 2s w/ single springs. Those will REALLY blow the doors off the unported LS6 heads.
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Re: 02LS6 heads how much will they help? I would go with stage 1 LS1 heads. ARE sells a set that are inexpensive if you want to stay with stock valves and I'm certain Nick will assure you that the heads outflow LS6 stock heads. As pointed out, you will need better springs for the LS6 heads (assuming a cam swap), new gaskets & bolts, etc. Spend a few extra dollars and get pick-up the extra gain, especially since this is a fairly involved project.
FWIW, my JPR S-1x heads (stock valve sizes) flow 280 cfm at .500
FWIW, my JPR S-1x heads (stock valve sizes) flow 280 cfm at .500
Re: 02LS6 heads how much will they help? LS1derfull, stock LS6 heads are not as good as ported stage 1 LS1 heads. They are better than stock LS1 heads, yes, but not ported ones.
Also, there are no differences in castings between '01 and '02 LS6 heads. Flow numbers are identical.
You also asked how many heads SAM has sold to the public. They sell quite a few! They train the best head porters and those guys get hired by shops like MTI to port heads. MTI currently has three former SAM students working in their porting/machine shop. SAM is a badass school!
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Also, there are no differences in castings between '01 and '02 LS6 heads. Flow numbers are identical.
You also asked how many heads SAM has sold to the public. They sell quite a few! They train the best head porters and those guys get hired by shops like MTI to port heads. MTI currently has three former SAM students working in their porting/machine shop. SAM is a badass school!
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Re: 02LS6 heads how much will they help? I appreciate all the response to my posts, and as always im just trying to help whoever i can, sometimes i am ill informed, but i never intentionally mislead anyone. I'm still fairly new to LS1 scene, i honestly didnt know common stage 1 port jobs flowed 300 cfm at.500"and also only cost $1499. I believe in questioning the path every body travels because i know sometimes nobody bothers to try for a better way because it can be risky or expensive if it doesnt work out.
Following every body else doesnt help engine technology. I will try to keep my posts more fact based in the future.
Following every body else doesnt help engine technology. I will try to keep my posts more fact based in the future.
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Re: 02LS6 heads how much will they help? well I don't think stage 1 ported heads flow 300cfm and sure won't be 1500 bucks. if that was the case there would be a lot faster cars. what would you get for stage 2? there are stage 2 heads that don't even flow 300.
must be a super high bench if it flows 300 and they are only charging 1500 <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
must be a super high bench if it flows 300 and they are only charging 1500 <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">