Bear

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Well guys and gals it's time for an update. I have been away in Chicago on business and finally have the car almost ready. I had the heads and the G5 installed then had the cage done. Here's the story.
I went to JD's auto in Philly for tuning and dyno testing with Joe, Talon, and Dennis. These guys were a HUGE help. Dennis brought his Autotap and got me some good info on the car. I have Zero knock throughout the RPM band and have good timing. We watched the tranny temp and all the other goodies. Seems like the 24000 tranny cooler is doing a real good job. Joe did the tuning via the wideband and Atap and got me dialed in damm near perfect. When we first started the AF was all over the place. I am much more comfortable now that I have tuning in place. We used the translator to get the car right on. Now for the meat and potatoes. My sig has ALL the details of what I have so please check there if u want to see something. All numbers are corrected. We had about three REAL pulls after the tuning issues were taken out. All three pulls were within 1 hp. Best of them was 399.2 rwhp and 395 rwtq. Since I'm a greedy person I'm claiming 400 baby, that's right I'm taking that extra 1 hp, it sounds so much nicer. This was thru my UNLOCKED 3600 stall Vig #7. Joe figures that if I could lock it down for a run it would put down 420 rwhp. I don't know how everyone else posts their numbers locked vs. unlocked but since I didn't actually dyno it locked I will ONLY POST WHAT I KNOW TO BE TRUE! This is for all the pain in the asses on the board. You people know who u are! I am happy as hell with locked numbers as that is exactly what Joe told me the car would do.
I have a strange 12 bolt comuing real soon so that I can have some 3 grand launches. I say this because after a long, long, long day of driving to joes, then to JD's we went to ATco aka pain in thye *** track. It was so crowded that from 7 till 915 I got 1 RUN. I let Joe give it a go for the first time since if something broke I'd have someone to blame. A big thanks to Joe for taking that responsibilty from me. I was and still am concerned about the 10 bolt braking so I asked Joe to walk it out of the box so I could at least drive home from there. He oblidged and here is the magic number: The car was in the right lane and went like this.
1.65 60'
11.92 @ 115.
Joe had the car at idle on the line and babied it off the line. I heard no spin or nothin for a good while. The car seemes to be taking forever to go anywhere but after the 330 it was a different story. I was very aggravated with the Atco peeps that after that 1 fu#*&n run I went home. I got home around 12:30 and went right to sleep.
My overall impressions of the car have not been formed yet. I never opened it up all the way yet because of the tuning. Now that that's done I will be abusing it a whole lot more real soon. I also plan on beating the snot out of it on Sat at Etown.
The cam is awesome sounding, but may be a little to rough for me as a dd. I sat in Dennis' car with the TR224/224 and I could hardly notice the cam, not so with the G5. The cage looks awesome and it doesn't go thru the rear sails. I am hoping for 11.4's or better with a full wieght 3600 pound car PLUS driver this Sat. Peace and bring on the qusetions, comments, and concerns.

JS

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Bear I always liked your posts.Your an honest dude.Good luck with the car.I bet Dennis likes his TR Cam.Its a great cam and idles very well.I loved mine when I was running it.

FWIW
420RWHP will be easy with your setup and a locked VIG.

JS
Cartek S2X H/C
442RWHP/401RWTQ LOCKED VIG 4400

<small>[ March 16, 2002, 05:04 PM: Message edited by: JS ]</small>

BIGBOS

Those #'s are pretty good...so its that radical huh? Do you think you could take any sound clips of it??

ONYXSS

Nice numbers. What are the cam specs?

Ragtop 99

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Sounds good, 400 HP though an unlocked Vig. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Just wondering about the track results. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> Was the weather bad? 115 mph is 2 - 3 mph below what I would have guessed. How was your 1/8 - 1/4 split.

Keep us posted.

JPR

Well, the weather wan not that bad, it was 750+ DA, but like Bear mentioned I litterally left off idle and rolled he gas to the floor, (1.65 60) not too bad for not having the converter against the motor. I manually put it in second at the 1 - 2 at 6,000 RPM, this is a shake down run not an all out full bore "lets see what she's got run" this was it's first pass ever and if we had at least 2 more trial passes I would have given it the guns off the start line (2,600 RPM) and prayed to the 10 bolt Gods that the rear would hold up, the posi is already gone to begin with. We will be replacing the Catted SLP Lt's real soon with Mac's and that sould show a nice improvement.

Kenny H

Guys,

Keep in mind hear Bear only put down a 1.65 short time with the Vig 3600. I managed a 1.64 short on a Vig 2800 with MUCH less power then he has. This shows the car was launched softly. So, just by launching his car harder, he will knock 2 tenths off for sure. And we all know it takes a few trips to the track to get a combo completely dialed in so be easy on him guys!

WS6 John

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Nice dyno results.
You spent the $ for LS6 heads and then tuned it with a MAF translator. Spend the $500 and get it tuned properly with LS1 edit, you should get even more power out of it.

Bear

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by WS6 John:
<strong>Nice dyno results.
You spent the $ for LS6 heads and then tuned it with a MAF translator. Spend the $500 and get it tuned properly with LS1 edit, you should get even more power out of it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey John I have Ed W tuning. It is damm near impossible to get the car dialed in perfect without it being there. I will resend the CPU to Ed with the translator settings and he will fix the program according to the new info. This is all free from Ed the second time around.

WS6 John

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Ah hah, now it makes sense.
I thought you had stock tuning with the translator only, so I was thinking that there is no way the translator can tune it really well.

I agree that it is next to impossible to get the tuning right on the first shot without a dyno.

Good luck with the setup.

John

Trevor @ Texas Speed & Perf.

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Those are some great dyno #'s through an unlocked Vig 3600! You'll EASILY see 420+ RWHP with it locked. I think everyone also needs to keep in mind that the car was shifted at 6,000 RPM from what Joe said. It's an understatement to say that the shift points were way too low! Hey, they're just some shakedown passes. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I heard the G5 cam today on a 112 LSA in Lou's C5, and I thought it sounded GREAT. It's tamer than expected IMO, and with an idle set at 950 or so I don't see the cam being a problem.

Here's an exact quote from a previous thread from Lou Gigliotti on the cam specs:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The cam specs are confidential, but it is a split duration with over 225 duration, and over 570 lift on a 112 LC. Sorry to be so secret but we have worked hard on this cam, and we would rather not make it easy for some of the other shops to copy it just yet.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I feel that I could run some solid 11.5's with this cam and the right converter. Maybe we'll find out. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

BIGBOS

I think I am going to get this cam in the future if it keeps putting out #'s like this... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

LG Motorsports

Congratulations to Bear and Joe Prince. You guys did a great job putting the packge together.

I can't wait until you get the tuning totally finished and really put it through its paces.

Bear, Thanks for having faith in the G5 cam. I know it is a great cam, but it takes guys like you and Joe to take the lead.

Good luck, and thanks again.

Lou Gigliotti www.lgmotorsports.com
972-272-7753

<small>[ March 17, 2002, 07:13 PM: Message edited by: LG Motorsports ]</small>

Ragtop 99

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I'm not attacking Joe's work, but taking .05 off a 1.65 60' isn't going to add 2 - 3 mph. On the other hand, combine manually shifting an A4 with a low shift point and you can easily kill 2+ mph. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Joe, on the subject of MACs, how far from Mikey's (RapidMotorsports) are you? I'm scheduled for Monday & Tuesday 3/25 - 26. My motor is there <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> and hopefully my fricking Grotts will may their way to the shop before then. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" /> ) Drop me a line or give me a ring.

BIGBOS

Will you ever be releasing the G5 specs...I want to get the cam, I just want to know the specs before I jump into it, I personally think it would help you sell it more, a lot of people these days are looking into the bigger cams... <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

JPR

"I'm not attacking Joe's work, but taking .05 off a 1.65 60' isn't going to add 2 - 3 mph. On the other hand, combine manually shifting an A4 with a low shift point and you can easily kill 2+ mph."

Joel, all the numbers thrown around are useless at this point, the package isn't where I want to see it yet, there is more left in it with a little better tunning with the Mac's and getting the nerve to foot break it to 2600 and stomp it to the floor off the starting line without breaking parts. Tom Talon has the run on video, the shift points are at 6,800 RPM but like I mentioned before, that was the first and only trial run we put on the car and I low balled it just to see how it would leave thinking we were going to get more runs in and do some WOT MAFT adjusting at the track because I believe it came off the dyno a litlle lean but it got too late.

JS

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Joe/Bear I think thats a great 1st time out with the car in not the best weather nor situations.

I mean u havent had good air nor a good rear to really hammer on it.Sure Joe couldve hit the tires harder but at what expense.A 125 dollar tow bill.No thank u.I've been there and it blows.Hell,Joe and I made it home one time after my rear was broken.U shouldve heard that thing CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK.Then JOE drove it to jays and almost locked the rear up and got killed.Take your time with the setup Joe.

Joe ....
FWIW the VIG 3600 in my car didnt like a high stall off the line.It liked about 1800 to 1900.The Yank needed the extra brake stall of 2700 remember?

I say Bears car will easily run 11.3@120 or better at a real weight of 3600lbs.Thats pretty good in my book. Bear has exactly what he wants and thats all that mattters.Its shame u guys cant make the rent a track next tues. to really dial her in.U could gain alot of info by racing her next week.

Good luck with the setup Joe.I bet the G5 cam is nasty?I heard its BIG?

FWIW the first time out with my setup next week I dont expect ot run 10's either.It takes time to dial the car in for maximum ETS.I'm really hoping for 11.20@120+ or better if u wanna know the truth.Will see?

JS
10's or bust for 2002

<small>[ March 17, 2002, 11:18 PM: Message edited by: JS ]</small>

JPR

Joel, I had to laugh when you mentioned the time when I brought your car back to the staging lanes and I was doing figure 8's in the rear parking lot trying to figure out what that noise was in the rear! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Well...__it happens and it does suck having a stranded car at the track. And your right about the stall on the Vig, I forgot that it does foot brake a little lower than what I am used to in your old 4,200. Like I mentioned 3 times now, I took it real easy the first pass thinking we would get some meaningfull track tunning runs Fri night but it didn't work out that way. The 12 bolt is on it's way so we can abuse it off the start line and get some testing out of the way. Yes, the G5 is big, it sounds like Lou's TA series car that I watched on a video link. it is a very crisp and a tad roudy set-up at idel that barks nicely through cat's, the valve train is exeptionally quiet for such ramping speeds, WOT is insanely loud, Bear nailed it on the highway next to us and my right ear was ringing for about 3 minuits afterwards.

Bear

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JPR:
<strong> WOT is insanely loud, Bear nailed it on the highway next to us and my right ear was ringing for about 3 minuits afterwards.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Pontiac]" title="" src="graemlins/formula.gif" />

RyanJ

whats the idle set at? ive heard the cam and unless you have the idle at like 800...i dont find it radical at all. I think it sounds awesome...right around 900-950. no tell-tale lope lope lope...just a burble, rumble, and crackle....but every car is different.