Stupid people claiming they'll make 55rwhp off of a cam without headers
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SS 5.0 THIS
pulleys cause problems... im looking into TTS Long Tubes as they seem to dyno the highest... otherwise probably a Thunder 224 cam to get me around 390 to the rears <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://www.supraforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34225&perpage=25&pagenu mb er=1
He says he has just a lid and fuel pressure regulator on his car (which gives supposedly gives him 335rwhp) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> , and he says either he'll get headers or a cam, and that the cam will get him 390rwhp. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
Oh boy.
I love how he asks the Supraforum for advice on what mods an LS1 should do next. <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
<small>[ March 27, 2002, 10:18 AM: Message edited by: verbs ]</small>
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SS 5.0 THIS
pulleys cause problems... im looking into TTS Long Tubes as they seem to dyno the highest... otherwise probably a Thunder 224 cam to get me around 390 to the rears <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://www.supraforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34225&perpage=25&pagenu mb er=1
He says he has just a lid and fuel pressure regulator on his car (which gives supposedly gives him 335rwhp) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> , and he says either he'll get headers or a cam, and that the cam will get him 390rwhp. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
Oh boy.
I love how he asks the Supraforum for advice on what mods an LS1 should do next. <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
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I’ve heard of LS1s (two on here actually) that gained 4mph trap speed from just a cam swap (no headers) with an ORY already in place. If the conditions on those runs were similar and race weight didn’t change, then 4mph is about a 40hp gain give or take a few. Granted, I don’t actually think you could pick up 40hp with just a cam swap on stock heads and stock manifolds, but I think 20 to 25 would be a reasonable estimate if you’ve got an ORY and good flowing catback/cutout already...
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How do you use a fuel pressure regulator on a returnless fuel system like the LS1?
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You add a return line, or put an adjustable regulator in the back of the car. Since it doesn't need to be vacuum modulated its pretty easy actually. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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the regulator blocks the return line adding pressure at the manifold, the adjuster screw can set the pressure anywhere from stock to 86 PSI on a stock pump... they are for sale on my site!
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> He says he has just a lid and fuel pressure regulator on his car (which gives supposedly gives him 335rwhp) , and he says either he'll get headers or a cam, and that the cam will get him 390rwhp. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">you saying the dyno is lying? I went in there with only a lid and Chris hooked me up with a run if I try his product which was the AFPR, put it on, made a few passes and Bam! 336 to the rears. Only mods are the Mecham Lid and the AFPR... And as far as what I think I will get with a cam thats absolutly none of your business and obviously you have some sort of hatred or jealousy towards me if your that concerned with what I think. <img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" />
Edit - Forgot to list the site - AZ Power & Sound
<small>[ March 28, 2002, 04:25 PM: Message edited by: Y2K1 SS 5.0 THIS ]</small>
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> He says he has just a lid and fuel pressure regulator on his car (which gives supposedly gives him 335rwhp) , and he says either he'll get headers or a cam, and that the cam will get him 390rwhp. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">you saying the dyno is lying? I went in there with only a lid and Chris hooked me up with a run if I try his product which was the AFPR, put it on, made a few passes and Bam! 336 to the rears. Only mods are the Mecham Lid and the AFPR... And as far as what I think I will get with a cam thats absolutly none of your business and obviously you have some sort of hatred or jealousy towards me if your that concerned with what I think. <img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" />
Edit - Forgot to list the site - AZ Power & Sound
<small>[ March 28, 2002, 04:25 PM: Message edited by: Y2K1 SS 5.0 THIS ]</small>
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I saw a 2002 Camaro SS (M6) dyno 330rwhp/350rwtq BONE STOCK at Speed Inc.
So, I guess 336rwhp certainly is feasable.
I just dont think 55rwhp with a cam alone is too feasable. Possible? Yes. But unlikely...
So, I guess 336rwhp certainly is feasable.
I just dont think 55rwhp with a cam alone is too feasable. Possible? Yes. But unlikely...
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It was more of a number I just threw out there, saw it on the dyno on Thunders site and talked to the guy, he said its pretty much one of the most potent cams available... Verbs just has this problem with taking everything I say and blowing it out of proportion as you can see on here and various other sites. But oh well, Whatever makes the little kid happy I guess!
While we are on the topic, anyone else have any good comparisons between the T1 MTI cam, Thunder 224 and any other high rated cam ?
While we are on the topic, anyone else have any good comparisons between the T1 MTI cam, Thunder 224 and any other high rated cam ?
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VINCE:
<strong>He will need more than a cam. I was able to squeeze 390rwhp with my below setup and no cutout or tricks..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Exactly. Thats what it takes most people. But he thinks he can get 390rwhp without headers or tuning or any other bolt-ons other than a lid.
He also failed to mention he had on MAF ends during that dyno when his hit the mid 330rwhp area.
<strong>He will need more than a cam. I was able to squeeze 390rwhp with my below setup and no cutout or tricks..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Exactly. Thats what it takes most people. But he thinks he can get 390rwhp without headers or tuning or any other bolt-ons other than a lid.
He also failed to mention he had on MAF ends during that dyno when his hit the mid 330rwhp area.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Y2K1 SS 5.0 THIS:
<strong>And as far as what I think I will get with a cam thats absolutly none of your business and obviously you have some sort of hatred or jealousy towards me if your that concerned with what I think. [/URL]</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Grow up loser.
<strong>And as far as what I think I will get with a cam thats absolutly none of your business and obviously you have some sort of hatred or jealousy towards me if your that concerned with what I think. [/URL]</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Grow up loser.
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No MAF ends there, I hit 341 with MAF ends and couldnt finish the dyno because of detonation. Your wrong again, but then again it is my car so I guess I would know what is on and not on it.
This post is a waste of space on here so im done posting on it.
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This post is a waste of space on here so im done posting on it.
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I happen to know of an 01 Formula w/ a Lid, GMAF, and open cut out that put 342 on Excessive's dyno here in houston during one of our dyno days. It DOES happen occasionally. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />