What is the biggest sleeper cam?
04-01-2002, 10:53 AM
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What is the biggest sleeper cam? I have a 99' T/A A4 and am wondering with no heads, what is the biggest or most valuable cam I can install without a lope.... Trying to keep it quiet....
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04-01-2002, 11:39 AM
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Re: What is the biggest sleeper cam? I'll be you could see some decent gains with something along the lines of Comp's new XE-R lobes with specs around 218/218 (I don't know what kind of valve lift #'s they offer in those grinds). However, it's hard to say whether it would be worthwhile or not to install a very small cam w/stock heads...
Weren't some folks having decent luck with the ZO6 cams?
Weren't some folks having decent luck with the ZO6 cams?
04-01-2002, 11:43 AM
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Re: What is the biggest sleeper cam? Your exhaust setup will have alot to do with lope and loudness. Hell, the stock cam will lope some through open headers. If you are running cats and a quite catback (Corsa maybe?), you might be able to get away with a B1 cam.
04-01-2002, 01:01 PM
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Re: What is the biggest sleeper cam? Like exhaust loudness, Idle speed has a lot to do with a sleeper cam. If you plan to raise your idle speed through programming, the TR 220 cam on a 114 LSA will sound stock at an idle of 850 - 900 rpm.
I have a 226/226 114 on the Comp XE-R lobes and the cam is very hard to detect at 900 - 950 idle.
If you will keep your idle speed down around 650 - 700 then a 212/214 115 will be stealthy.
do you have a high stall converter? an 850 idle on a stock converter would make the car pull at stops.
I have a 226/226 114 on the Comp XE-R lobes and the cam is very hard to detect at 900 - 950 idle.
If you will keep your idle speed down around 650 - 700 then a 212/214 115 will be stealthy.
do you have a high stall converter? an 850 idle on a stock converter would make the car pull at stops.
04-01-2002, 01:09 PM
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Re: What is the biggest sleeper cam? Yeah, I forgot to mention idle speed... Bump it up just a tad through programming, and most cams will be much less "pronounced." My old 220/224 Comp Cam was barely noticeable @ 975rpm idle.
04-01-2002, 04:24 PM
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Re: What is the biggest sleeper cam? What do most people use for programing? after heads and cam.. I was told that the stock computer should fix itself... If there is something I need to or should get i will i won't spend 650 for ls1 edit though... Do i even need anything with this small of a cam? thanx for your help guys
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04-01-2002, 10:15 PM
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Re: What is the biggest sleeper cam? LS1Edit is only $550 (not $650). The really nice thing is that it will grow with you. Later down the road, if you make minor/major changes, you can program for them yourself without having to send the computer back out for someone else to do it.
That's not to say that everyone should dive right in and start programming thier own PCM's. You could cause a lot of damage if you aren't careful...
Will you need programming? It's hard to say. If you want to keep a stock like idle, it may require raising your idle speed a tad. You may want to raise the rev limiter and change shiftpoints as well. A cam swap usually will change your powerband some, and you'll want to be able to get the most out of it by reprogramming the PCM accordingly.
<small>[ April 01, 2002, 10:16 PM: Message edited by: GeorgeC ]</small>
That's not to say that everyone should dive right in and start programming thier own PCM's. You could cause a lot of damage if you aren't careful...
Will you need programming? It's hard to say. If you want to keep a stock like idle, it may require raising your idle speed a tad. You may want to raise the rev limiter and change shiftpoints as well. A cam swap usually will change your powerband some, and you'll want to be able to get the most out of it by reprogramming the PCM accordingly.
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04-02-2002, 12:13 AM
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Re: What is the biggest sleeper cam? I was gonna say if you had the SLP dual dual System, you could Run a B1 or a TR 220 (114) cam and it would sound pretty damn close to stock!! That SLP system is AWESOME for "sleeper" cars. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
04-02-2002, 12:18 AM
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Re: What is the biggest sleeper cam? Mine is kinda good sleeper plus its a formula so nobody has a clue its got a v8 in there.. I do have my heads done though... It lopes if you are in the car outside the car you can't really hear it. Its there but you have to listen for it... It is a comp cams Xtreme Energy cam too... Custom grind... <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />
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04-02-2002, 01:12 PM
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Re: What is the biggest sleeper cam? I know like hmm 1 or 2 people that have ls1s thats it... They don't need it yet. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
04-02-2002, 04:38 PM
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Re: What is the biggest sleeper cam? I was just waiting for someone to make that same comment. Of course, Terry had to do it... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
04-02-2002, 06:07 PM
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Re: What is the biggest sleeper cam? Bumping idle up with a cam swap, is it possible to do this without programming? My 2001 m6 seems to just adjust iac counts to bring idle back to 800rpm, no matter what you do, anyone have an answer to this problem? I tried idle relearn procedure, no real progress. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
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Re: What is the biggest sleeper cam? Cool thank you... When i had put my cam in they said i didn't need it...but every little bit helps... 550 is a bit better then what i have been told... But still kinda high... <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />
