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Old Jan 24, 2007 | 01:37 PM
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If i go bigger valves on my 243's (right now i have 241s) I know I have to have the valve seats cut...but do I need to do anythign to my spring seats or anything else on the valvetrain?

different pushrod length? etc....

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different pushrod lengths would be because of the base circle of the cam being smaller, or milling your head...etc.
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Old Jan 24, 2007 | 05:10 PM
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Just valve seats. Keep in mind that bigger valves will reduce PTV clearance too.
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Just valve seats. Keep in mind that bigger valves will reduce PTV clearance too.

I was gonna do 2.02 and 1.56 w/a 224 cam

that should be plenty of clearance right?
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Originally Posted by dubrado
I was gonna do 2.02 and 1.56 w/a 224 cam

that should be plenty of clearance right?
Yeah you should be OK.
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Old Jan 24, 2007 | 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dubrado
I was gonna do 2.02 and 1.56 w/a 224 cam

that should be plenty of clearance right?
FYI: I'm right within clearance tolerances with a TR 114 224/224 , .045 gasket, milled 243's .010, and 2.02 1.57 valves
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It doesn't do crap unless the seat is opened up and blended into the bowl of the port.
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so your'e saying going bigger valves w/o seat and bowl work is not gonna net any gains?
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Nope. Think about it.

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Those should actually fit on the stock seats, youll just have to get them cut to the bigger size. Shouldnt have any issues as long as youre using a good valvespring.
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Old Jan 25, 2007 | 08:04 AM
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Those should actually fit on the stock seats, youll just have to get them cut to the bigger size. Shouldnt have any issues as long as youre using a good valvespring.
I agree they should fit the stock seats too. 1.60 on the exhaust needs to be cut. The other question is their is a ratio between intake and exhaust like 80% and you may want XXX intake want size YYY exhaust do you want. 2.02/1.60 was a classic valve size combo.....but this is a ls1

Not sure the valvespring would matter because of the vavle size? Lift on cam and rpm would matter.

It doesn't do crap unless the seat is opened up and blended into the bowl of the port.
IF??? They fit the stock opening whats to blend?
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Old Jan 25, 2007 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by brad8266
Just valve seats. Keep in mind that bigger valves will reduce PTV clearance too.
You don't have to change valve seats for a 2.02 valve nor a 1.57" valve. Both of those will fit on the stock seats fine.

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IF??? They fit the stock opening whats to blend?
Everything. The bowl opening and the runner. That area that you're asking "what's to blend" is only like the second most critical area in the entire port. It's VERY important. The only thing more important would be the short side radii in my opinion.

Aftermarket valves with a thick margin (like the Manley valves) are going to reduce clearance. You'll notice a large reduction from a manley VS. stock even for the stock 2.00" valve. Increasing the diameter of the valve will only further decrease clearance. I guess it was too expensive to have valve reliefs cut in our pistons when they were being cast since we had 15 degree heads. Hmmmm...

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Old Jan 26, 2007 | 07:43 AM
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Thanks for the answer.

back up question: If you leave the heads stock and just change vavle sizes 2.02/1.57 would it be an improvement or just if you have the heads port and polished-cnc'ed.
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Originally Posted by DJ_951
Thanks for the answer.

back up question: If you leave the heads stock and just change vavle sizes 2.02/1.57 would it be an improvement or just if you have the heads port and polished-cnc'ed.
There's a minimal gain and in my opinion, it's not worth the drastic reduction in PTV clearance.
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Originally Posted by Xtnct00WS6
There's a minimal gain and in my opinion, it's not worth the drastic reduction in PTV clearance.
I wouldnt say drastic. Theoretically it should only be .003 or .004 less clearance, assuming the valves were hung in the same spot and the valve margin was the same. The trouble is most aftermarket valves have a much thicker valve margin.

I totally agree with the limited gains. With the good results coming in from all the stock valved ls6 heads out there, its hard to justify the cost when budget is a concern.
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As said above, the port bowls are already a restriction. That's where the FIRST porting should take place. Then increase valve TYPE and sizing to optimize the porting.
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