Lets See the BIG CAM dyno Graphs!
Lets See the BIG CAM dyno Graphs! How about a couple MMS/TR/X-ER 224 Cams, TR230/224, TR227/224, MMS 229, MMS 232, MTI X1, and some ARE split patterns. How come we haven't seen the graph of the MT1 X1 yet? I'm anxiously awaiting.
I would like to see where they all peak and if we can extrapolate a reasonable rule of thumb for what additional duration, different lobe seperations, and degrees of camshaft advance do to the power curve.
Terry lets see your before/after Meziere, and how about that MMS 232/232. Nineball I know you have the MTI X1. Jason you have Thunders on stock heads. Patrick G how about yours?
I would like to see where they all peak and if we can extrapolate a reasonable rule of thumb for what additional duration, different lobe seperations, and degrees of camshaft advance do to the power curve.
Terry lets see your before/after Meziere, and how about that MMS 232/232. Nineball I know you have the MTI X1. Jason you have Thunders on stock heads. Patrick G how about yours?
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Re: Lets See the BIG CAM dyno Graphs! Yes fellas this would be nice and help me decide on my cam choice because it just so happens that all of yalls cams are in the running.Post em up fellas.
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Re: Lets See the BIG CAM dyno Graphs! Jantzer, here is my graph w/ the Thunder 230/224 .569.569 111lsa cam with stock heads:
<img src="http://jason99ta.slowcar.net/tr230_224_openheaders.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://jason99ta.slowcar.net/tr230_224_openheaders.jpg" alt=" - " />
Re: Lets See the BIG CAM dyno Graphs! I don't have a scanner for my graph, so I just took a dig. pic of it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> It's a little fuzzy, but you can see the #'s. The first dyno was 350 RWHP through the dual/dual and unlocked converter, the second pull was 361 RWHP w/ the cutout open and converter unlocked, and the 379.9 RWHP was with the cutout open and converter locked. This is the Comp XE-R 224/224, .581"/.581", 112 LSA, and the converter is a Yank PT4400. The cam has two degrees of advance ground into it, and it was installed straight up. All pulls were through 3.73's. The cam is pretty tame IMO, and streetability is awesome. With the converter and cam swap, I saw an additional 46 RWHP unlocked and 47 RWHP locked. The pulls w/ stock internals were through 3.23's, FWIW.
<img src="http://trevor98ramair.cz28.com/images/camdyno.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Re: Lets See the BIG CAM dyno Graphs! Terry,
I've given you plenty of cam information (cough...G5). How about a dyno picture of that 420RWHP stock headed MMS229 cam car, yours, and the 232??? And I don't mean a picture of it on the dyno. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
I've given you plenty of cam information (cough...G5). How about a dyno picture of that 420RWHP stock headed MMS229 cam car, yours, and the 232??? And I don't mean a picture of it on the dyno. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: Lets See the BIG CAM dyno Graphs! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jantzer98SS:
<strong>How about a couple MMS/TR/X-ER 224 Cams, TR230/224, TR227/224, MMS 229, MMS 232, MTI X1, and some ARE split patterns. How come we haven't seen the graph of the MT1 X1 yet? I'm anxiously awaiting.
I would like to see where they all peak and if we can extrapolate a reasonable rule of thumb for what additional duration, different lobe seperations, and degrees of camshaft advance do to the power curve.
Terry lets see your before/after Meziere, and how about that MMS 232/232. Nineball I know you have the MTI X1. Jason you have Thunders on stock heads. Patrick G how about yours?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Here is my 2001 SS: mods: G5 cam w/ programming, ASP Crank Pulley, FLP Headers and offroad pipe, LID .. that's it for power mods. The graph is the before and after (before I did have the lid). Gains all around with BIG gains up top <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I figure with a ported TB and better catback, I can pick up about 20rwhp ...
<img src="http://home.attbi.com/~kraventh1/2001SS_Dyno382.jpg" alt=" - " />
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<strong>How about a couple MMS/TR/X-ER 224 Cams, TR230/224, TR227/224, MMS 229, MMS 232, MTI X1, and some ARE split patterns. How come we haven't seen the graph of the MT1 X1 yet? I'm anxiously awaiting.
I would like to see where they all peak and if we can extrapolate a reasonable rule of thumb for what additional duration, different lobe seperations, and degrees of camshaft advance do to the power curve.
Terry lets see your before/after Meziere, and how about that MMS 232/232. Nineball I know you have the MTI X1. Jason you have Thunders on stock heads. Patrick G how about yours?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Here is my 2001 SS: mods: G5 cam w/ programming, ASP Crank Pulley, FLP Headers and offroad pipe, LID .. that's it for power mods. The graph is the before and after (before I did have the lid). Gains all around with BIG gains up top <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I figure with a ported TB and better catback, I can pick up about 20rwhp ...
<img src="http://home.attbi.com/~kraventh1/2001SS_Dyno382.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Re: Lets See the BIG CAM dyno Graphs! Here's mine: www.converter.cc/TR230-224dyno.jpg This is a printout of the TR 230/224 111LSA cam vs. the TR 224/224 112LSA cam. The line of the bigger cam was broken, but you can see the much stronger pull above peak hp of the "reverse split" cam.
Sorry, I don't know how to post the picture. I promise to get a better dyno printout in the near future. Keep in mind my car is an automatic.
<small>[ June 03, 2002, 10:02 PM: Message edited by: Patrick G ]</small>
Sorry, I don't know how to post the picture. I promise to get a better dyno printout in the near future. Keep in mind my car is an automatic.
<small>[ June 03, 2002, 10:02 PM: Message edited by: Patrick G ]</small>
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
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Re: Lets See the BIG CAM dyno Graphs! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong>Scott next time I'm at the shop I'll grab you some graphs. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Don't "forget"... (BTW photoshop work doesn't count) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
<small>[ June 03, 2002, 11:13 PM: Message edited by: XtraCajunSS ]</small>
<strong>Scott next time I'm at the shop I'll grab you some graphs. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Don't "forget"... (BTW photoshop work doesn't count) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
<small>[ June 03, 2002, 11:13 PM: Message edited by: XtraCajunSS ]</small>
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Re: Lets See the BIG CAM dyno Graphs! Are we really considering a cam with 224 intake duration "big"? I should have a dyno of a 231 cam by this weekend though <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Re: Lets See the BIG CAM dyno Graphs! Sounds fair enough Terry. Remember I've seen them before so I'll know if something funny is going on. I just thought I'de give you a chance to plug "MMS" again. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> If you can get the MMS 224V1 compared to the MMS224V3 or MMS229, that would be a HUGE bonus. I'de have to buy you a beer with the $49 I won from Bakersfield. LOL!
Keep the dyno graphs coming! I'll search around and pull some off older threads.
Keep the dyno graphs coming! I'll search around and pull some off older threads.
Re: Lets See the BIG CAM dyno Graphs! I finally got my check for $14. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Just throw the 229v2.1 cam in your car with some comp 918s/ti retainers. Easy .15th pickup I bet.
Re: Lets See the BIG CAM dyno Graphs! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by TrahnZam WS6:
<strong>Are we really considering a cam with 224 intake duration "big"?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree Nick. I was surprised to see the 224 mentioned after reading the "BIG CAM" topic. He asked for it, so I posted it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Let us know how the new cam works out.
<strong>Are we really considering a cam with 224 intake duration "big"?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree Nick. I was surprised to see the 224 mentioned after reading the "BIG CAM" topic. He asked for it, so I posted it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Let us know how the new cam works out.
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Re: Lets See the BIG CAM dyno Graphs! You're probably right, a good cam will pick up .15. The reason I mentioned the 224 was for sake of comparison. I've got the ORIGINAL MMS224 with .535 and the 224 has pretty much become the "compare all" cam.