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Jun 13, 2002 | 09:11 AM

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Re: Best price on LS6 cores?

I paid @$580 each, new/bare, plus shipping ('02 model heads) from Phoenix Pontiac/Buick/GMC. Dealt w/ Gene... a good guy to do business with; prompt service, etc...

Jun 13, 2002 | 10:57 AM

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Re: Best price on LS6 cores?

Terry
You are looking for every bit of power you can get, I believe? With the intake on the ls6 heads flow a little better from 600" on up. Without intake they do much better. We need a better intake. Big news, right.

Jun 13, 2002 | 11:07 AM

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<blockquote>quote:<hr />
You are looking for every bit of power you can get, I believe? With the intake on the ls6 heads flow a little better from 600" on up. Without intake they do much better. We need a better intake. Big news, right.
<hr /></blockquote>I'm going to use a ported LS6 intake for now, but I'm building this thing for a good sheet metal intake. I'm sure some will be out soon.

Jun 13, 2002 | 11:14 AM

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<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Where did you find the cores, Terry, sdpc? Also, what are you letting the heads go for, (bare - no springs.) <hr /></blockquote>Smart guy. I wouldn't want the springs either.

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[ June 13, 2002, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: Wide Open Throttle ]

Jun 13, 2002 | 11:19 AM

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The springs in my current heads are 941s and they have never broken. I think they are magical. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

So Max I'm finally going to have a set of "special" heads/cam in my car, just like the Cartek cars! I wonder if I'll pick up over my off the shelf MMS parts? I'm shooting for another 25-30rwhp from 5500-7400rpm. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Jun 13, 2002 | 01:46 PM

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Re: Best price on LS6 cores?

though I think a number of interesting topics have been ruined by the "devils" advocate approach Terry, this is hard to say, I don't see an inconsistancy here. I would not spend money for ls6 heads, unless my cam was .600+ or a better flowing intake was available. LS6 heads without intake flow better from .500" and up. Good luck with that lift. You should have a lot of torque up high. I hope it holds together. Can't wait to see your charts?

Jun 13, 2002 | 02:14 PM

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<blockquote>quote:<hr />Project F Houston: 2001 Z28, MMS "stage 2x" heads/cam, 485rwhp on the Cartek Dyno

10.98@122.2 1.52 60' at Carlsbad (3300#, approx 1000' DA)

Coming soon: MMS "Texas Strength" heads/cam. All the Texas whoop-*** without the BIG Texas prices. ™ <hr /></blockquote>Terry I don't always agree with everything you say....but damn you crack me up. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
My wife tells me that I'm the most cynical, sarcastic SOB on the planet...but I believe that you have me beat by a substantial margin. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Good luck with the new setup!

Jun 13, 2002 | 07:39 PM

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<blockquote>quote:<hr /> The springs in my current heads are 941s and they have never broken. I think they are magical.

So Max I'm finally going to have a set of "special" heads/cam in my car, just like the Cartek cars! I wonder if I'll pick up over my off the shelf MMS parts? I'm shooting for another 25-30rwhp from 5500-7400rpm. <hr /></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:<hr /> Hydraulic, but I'm using titanium valves. <hr /></blockquote>With Titanium valves, WOW. No wonder they worked for you. So all you need is $1600 dollars in valves to make them work. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> So much for off the shelf parts. Looks like your current H/C is much more "special" than you had led everyone to believe.

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Jun 13, 2002 | 07:58 PM

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Re: Best price on LS6 cores?

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terry Burger:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />
Won't work.
<hr /></blockquote>I'll do what I can to make it work Mr. High 11s. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

<blockquote>quote:<hr />
I thought you were totally against using LS6 heads over LS1 heads. What changed your mind?
<hr /></blockquote>I still think they are a waste but as long as I'm doing a new set of heads, I'll throw caution in to the wind.<hr /></blockquote>I'm with Terry. They can work (lift wise). Also, in a racing engine, lift under 0.250" to 0.300" lift, depending on cam, deoesn't alter your HP.
It's over that that counts...
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Jun 13, 2002 | 11:16 PM

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<blockquote>quote:<hr />
With Titanium valves, WOW. No wonder they worked for you. So all you need is $1600 dollars in valves to make them work. So much for off the shelf parts. Looks like your current H/C is much more "special" than you had led everyone to believe.
<hr /></blockquote>There is going to be nothing "off the shelf" with the new setup. I'm doing exactly what Cartek does, building a one off high performance setup. I'm only doing the intake valves, which will be in the $600 price range. When its all said and done the complete set of heads is going to cost less than the Cartek heads with much better parts. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Jun 13, 2002 | 11:18 PM

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<blockquote>quote:<hr />
I'm with Terry. They can work (lift wise). Also, in a racing engine, lift under 0.250" to 0.300" lift, depending on cam, deoesn't alter your HP.
It's over that that counts...
<hr /></blockquote>I hope you're right! The problem I am having right now is finding valve springs to handle the lift with just enough seat and open pressure. Luckily Mike@MMS is really good at that kind of thing. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Jun 13, 2002 | 11:19 PM

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Re: Best price on LS6 cores?

<img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

<img border="0" alt="[hail]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" /> Terry.

Just to clarify son-of-Julio, Terry's current heads are like $1800 Stage 2 5.3L heads with NON-titanium 2.02/1.57 valves and 941's.

Good luck to you terry. Now how are you gonna fit 2.1" intake valves in?

Jun 13, 2002 | 11:21 PM

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Good luck to you terry. Now how are you gonna fit 2.1" intake valves in?
<hr /></blockquote>That's Mike's job. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Jun 13, 2002 | 11:23 PM

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Re: Best price on LS6 cores?

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by BurnOut:
I paid @$580 each, new/bare, plus shipping ('02 model heads) from Phoenix Pontiac/Buick/GMC. Dealt w/ Gene... a good guy to do business with; prompt service, etc...<hr /></blockquote>SDPC has the '02 LS6 heads in stock. Price is $579.50ea and shipping charges for the the pair is $19.75(in the 48 states) if ordered off their web site.

Jun 14, 2002 | 12:50 AM

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After months of arguing that LS6 heads are a waste of $, you finally give in. I guess all of your arguments in the past were BS. Are you going to use a set of MMS springs?

I found out what MMS stands for:

Mediocre
Made
Springs

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Jun 14, 2002 | 12:54 AM

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Re: Best price on LS6 cores?

I argue for fun. I don't always take the side I believe in, its good law practice. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

RE: the LS6 heads my belief is for lifts > .600 and/or rwhp > 475 I think they are a good choice.

RE: MMS' springs, they will sell you whatever springs you'd like.

Jun 14, 2002 | 01:36 AM

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Re: Best price on LS6 cores?

what is the part number of bare LS6 heads?

Jun 14, 2002 | 03:44 AM

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Good luck Terry.Let us know how it works out.

Jun 14, 2002 | 05:02 AM

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Re: Best price on LS6 cores?

are 01 LS6 heads more expensive than 02 LS6 heads because of supply or is it just some crazy **** gm stuff ?

12560801 LS6 2001 $685.50
12564825 LS6 2002 $579.50

Jun 14, 2002 | 08:44 AM

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<blockquote>quote:<hr /> I hope you're right! The problem I am having right now is finding valve springs to handle the lift with just enough seat and open pressure. Luckily Mike@MMS is really good at that kind of thing. <hr /></blockquote>Don't forget about spring bind as well. With the extra lift you may run into a problem.

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