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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 08:21 AM
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Default Valves hit pistons,update.

For anyone that was following my thread from a couple weeks ago.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/648868-valves-hit-pistons-help-me-figure-out-why.html

I sent the heads out,found out i only had 112 spring pressure due to no shims. We shimmed them for about 135 pounds,replaced 2 bent intake valves,milled the head only about .002 for smoothing purposes. All back together now with new cam. Sound just awesome. Isnt tuned yet so it surges and dies alot. Cant wait to get this thing on the dyno and more importantly to the track. Thanks for everyones help in this matter.
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 08:24 AM
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What about the bent valves messing up the valve job? Was that addressed?

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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 08:31 AM
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The machine shop "touched up" the valve job. They said it was totally fine but since they had all the valves out they more of less cleaned it up. I did a leakage test and compression and everything passed perfectly.
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 08:37 AM
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Cool. Sounds good! Glad to hear you're back up and running. Keep us all posted.

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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 08:41 AM
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Ill make a stock tune idle video later,stay tuned.
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 08:42 AM
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can anyone tell me what is shimming

is it pushing the springs further down then locking them at a lower point on the stems of the valves .... or to shim is if they`re puting something like a spacer below the springs to compress the springs with the same locking place on the stem without the spacer..... pics of before and after shimming is great if available.
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Originally Posted by Bader-X
can anyone tell me what is shimming

is it pushing the springs further down then locking them at a lower point on the stems of the valves .... or to shim is if they`re puting something like a spacer below the springs to compress the springs with the same locking place on the stem without the spacer..... pics of before and after shimming is great if available.
It's the second one. You put shims under the spings and it compresses them at a linear rate. This gives you more pressure on the seat (and more open pressure) which can mean increased valvetrain stability/control, but it reduces the lift potential of the valvespring.

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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 08:52 AM
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Right on the money Studytime.
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 08:54 AM
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I'm sure Alex could chime in with how important valve control is!

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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 09:03 AM
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In my situation, not having the proper spring pressure did not effect me for about 6k. I was only revving to about 6300-6400rpm and it was fine. As soon as i did my m6 to a4 conversion i reved to about 6700rpm. A few times on the rev limiter due to a 2-3 shift issue is all it took. Lesson learned.
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 09:50 AM
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Glad to see you got it straightened out. Any valve train issues usually show up on the dyno as well.
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Im going to take it easy on the dyno. Ramp up the rpms slowly to monitor for any valve floating. My tuner wants to set my shift points closer to 7k. I think im going to do about 6700-6800rpms.
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Score! I knew it was due to lack of seat pressure.
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Didn't some say that shimming wasn't necessary??
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 01:39 PM
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Yes someone did say that. I rather not start a bashing thread for a sponsor that i really like. To many variables to blame anyone.
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Good to hear you you have your problem solved.Weak or improperly shimed springs never has a good effect on performance.
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Yep learned that leason the hard way. Could have been alot worse. Here is a new sound clip with the new cam in sig.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...92109621033441
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