VINCE

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H/C make/stage:5.3L Stage 2
Head Specs:2.08x1.60, milled 40 thou..
Cam Specs:226/226 .585/.585 lsa 112
Dyno Numbers (and location): Not yet
Best track time (street/radials/nittos) & location: Not yet
Best track time (slicks) & location:
Major Mods (non std): BB forged 346ci by Norris Motorsports
Comments:Mac Headers with Custom 3inch Y-pipe.

Mike Hoffpauir

H/C make/stage: GM LS1

Head Specs: Bone Stock (untouched)

Cam Specs: Futral Motorsports F4 226/226 575/575 114

Dyno Numbers (and location): Unknown

Best track time (street/radials/nittos) & location: Unknown

Best track time (slicks) & location: 1.46 60' 11.16@119 at No Problem Raceway 5/22/02

Major Mods (non std): Yank tp4400, 4.10's,G-hann full lengths, Futral 2.5" y-pipe, Futral Custom Tuning, and all the other usual bolt ons.

Comments: The drivability of this set up is amazing. The Futral Custom tuning has the convertor locking up flawlessly. The cam was causing an occasional hot startup idle surge but this has been reduced to a minimum with Futral's latest program and the reinstallation of the stock mass air meter. This setup netted my 11.16 pass and has the car behaving virtually identical to the stock cam.

Jantzer98SS

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H/C make/stage: SIMPLY THE BEST!

Head Specs: JANTZER 2.00 1.57 Stage I's

Cam Specs: 224/224 .535 .535 112

Dyno Numbers (and location): 384RWHP forever ago

Best track time (street/radials/nittos) &
location: SURE! Dou you want to see me carve 8's down the track.

Best track time (slicks) & location: 10.82 @ 125.13 1.47 60 - Sacramento Raceway 6/15/02

Major Mods (non std): Jantzer TB & more worthless mods along with TP4400, 4.10's, EWP, and a little weight reduction to name a few.

Comments: QUICKER THAN TERRY BURGER

Terry Burger

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Scott I got my new front brakes in, and my hood will be here Friday. I also ordered a new airbox/maf combination. I'm going to retune for racegas and make a few runs for 10.70s before the new heads/cam go on. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

If I was able to hook up for a 1.45 60' time like you do I'd already be in the 10.80s. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

SSteveL

H/C make/stage: ARE Stage 2
Head Specs: 2.08/1.60
Cam Specs: 226/234 554/575 112 LSA
Dyno Numbers (and location): 380-390 rwhp/? rwtq @ ARE
Best track time (street/radials) & location: 12.5 at 114 mph
Best track time (ET Streets) & location: 11.80 on a 1.64 short time, 11.859 on a 1.79 short time, 115.4 mph (different passes) @ St. Thomas
Major Mods (non std): Grot. 1-3/4 LT headers, ORY, 3.73 gears, lid, SLP MAF, ported TB, LS6 intake, Yank PT4400, torque arm, LCA, adj. shocks, k frame
Comments: Haven't had enough passes to see what she'll really do; TC might be defective; shift points not exactly right; torque hard to measure on dyno

<small>[ June 19, 2002, 11:37 PM: Message edited by: SSteveL ]</small>

GTS SS

FMS Stage 3 H/C
Head Specs: 2.055/1.600 11.5:1 CR (LS1 Heads)
Cam Specs: 236/241 .680/.680 112 LS(Solid Roller)
Dyno: 456rwhp / 418rwtq @ MTI
Best track time(radials) None yet.
Best track time(slicks)10.94 @124.56 mph 1.54 60'
Major mods: To many to list.
Comments: No complaints.

Gordon

<small>[ June 19, 2002, 02:28 PM: Message edited by: GTS SS ]</small>

The Emperor Of Darkness

guys come on I would like to see more results <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

CamM

H/C make/stage: LG Motorsports G2
Head Specs: Stock heads
Cam Specs: 222/226 566/569 114LSA
Dyno Numbers (and location): 377rwhp/371 rwtq @ Speedworks
Best track time (street/radials/nittos) & location: 12.6 @ 113.6 MPH with 2.1 60ft on Nittos at Texas Motorplex
Best track time (slicks) & location: n/a
Major Mods (non std): See sig
Comments: Strong for just a cam car. Too bad I can't drive it to its potential. Need more track time. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

CRAGER

H/C make/stage:
Head Specs:MTI LS6 Stage2
Cam Specs:MTI T1 221/221 558/558 112
Dyno Numbers (and location):420rwhp& 389rwtq
Best track time (street/radials/nittos) & location:n/a
Best track time (slicks) & location:n/a
Major Mods (non std):Moser 12-Bolt w/4.10's
Comments:I like it alot! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Peace,
Craig.

P.S. I have a few dyno's graphs and a time slip when I ran with stock gears, heads, and tunning, just click on the link in my sig.

Shinobi'sZ

Ok here we go:
ARE Stage II 2.08/1.60
(OLD) Cam 226/232 LSA 112 (Dyno'd 402/384 RWHP/RWTQ @ Ralph Goebel's Hot Rod Heaven with crappy superchips tuning and 410/392 RWHP/RWTQ @ MMS with Mike's tuning @6750 RPM's)
(New) Present Cam 229/229 LSA 112 dyno'd 430/400 RWHP/RWTQ @6300 RPM's

TPIS LT's
Off Road X Pipe
LS6 Intake
ASP Pulley
Donaldson/Granetelli airfilter/powerduct
02 LS6 Delphi 85MM Maf (no screen) Paceparts
SPEC Clutch

ATI D1SC in the garage awaiting install.

Keep in mind that Stage I perform almost identical to Stage II on a 5.7 LS1. The bigger valves on a Stage II are really for a stroker and shine more up at the top RPM levels. I bought Stage II anticipating I would be going to a stroker..but went S/C instead.

Raughammer

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>
H/C make/stage: MTI Stage 2 LS1 heads. MTI C2 Cam.

Head Spec: 2.055/1.6 valves. With MTI upgraded dual springs, MTI valve angles.
Cam Specs: 224/224 .581/.581 112 l/s 4 degrees of advance ground in.
Dyno Numbers (and location): At MTI in houston Texas
RWHP - High 380's through the muffler. High 390's with open headers.
RWTQ - High 390's uncapped and just a bit over 400 uncapped.

Best track time (street/radials/nittos) & location: Would'nt/haven't run it at the track on radials

Best track time (slicks) & location: At HRP my best E.T has been; 10.663 @ 124.02 w/a 1.381 60' 3200 race weight.

Best MPH was a few days later on an E.T. run of 10.845, but the MPH was 125.08 on a 1.474 60'.

Major Mods (non std): FLP LT's and ORYP, 3.73's, MTI tuning, Yank PT4400 converter, ASP crank pulley, a whole LOT of free mods, other little stuff. There is a lot more info about the car on my web page.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Comments: Streetabilty, dependability and performance are OUTSTANDING.
With this being my daily driver last year, I ran 10.86 with the Hammer cam (222/222 .566/.566 112 l/s) and this year with a some tweaking on the car and my new C2 cam, I was able to pick up a few more tenths and run 10.66. I must note on both my 10.86 and a year later the 10.66, the car was DRIVEN to and from the track, this being my daily driver and all at the time. This combo is just so streetable and powerful that you CAN have your cake and eat it too. As has been mentioned earlier this cam and converter combo works REAL well together. The car flat out OWNS most folks you will race on the street and with the stock hood/stock rear and full interior in, the car will fool dang near anybody who does not know it. The problem, is now just about everyone knows the car...dang it.
What is most suprising has been the combo's durability. The Yank tranny just keeps kicking ***. It took a while for me to convince the world how streetable and powerful the combo is, but it seems folks have picked up on how streetable it really is, and those track times dont hurt either. The motor idles very well at 850~875 rpm in gear, and it doesn't surge, stall, etc. with the a/c on (which is now removed). I'm shooting for 10.50's with a heads/cam N/A 346. Currently I have added a 12 bolt to the car and that has increased my weight a bit but the 4.10 gears and 28" tall slicks should help the cars 60's improve even more. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

<small>[ July 02, 2002, 01:19 PM: Message edited by: Raughammer ]</small>

Raughammer

I think you put WAYYYYYyyyyy too much stock in dyno numbers amigo.

John

The Emperor Of Darkness

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by WICKED SS:
<strong>Now I am not sure to go with ARE with all these people with really low numbers on here and people I know around here <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
Not sure how but the guy I might buy these heads from made 430rwhp and 420torque-ARE stage 2?
And the TR224 cam is great for stock heads me and my friend have the same set up but he has FLP's with Corsa cat back and we both made 39x's but I had just alittle more torque most likly cause the loudmouth I have.
I am going to have to do alot more research now before I get heads.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I had the same doubts until I realized that those guys have the split pattern(nitrous applications) no one with ARE heads on this post has single pattern! with split pattern you will sacrifice HP until you spray it and you will get a helluva numbers......
only my 0.02

Shinobi'sZ

Actually I am running ARE Stage II Heads on a single pattern cam now (MMS 229/229 .578/.578 112 LSA). I am selling my old nitrous cam the 226/234 554/573 112 LSA that you are referring too. $225.00+shipping. Email me!

<small>[ July 02, 2002, 03:34 PM: Message edited by: Shinobi's97 ]</small>

verbs

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong>If I was able to hook up for a 1.45 60' time like you do I'd already be in the 10.80s. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">IF

Terry Burger

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Update my power to 446/404... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

ezss

I had an MTI B1 cam (221/221 558/558 114 LSA) on my car and made 385rwhp. Going to the 226/234 got me 10rwhp (in fairness I did also lose the cutout and go with a hooker catback). Although I might run nitrous in the future, I did not get the cam intending it to be a nitrous cam. The dynos for ARE S2s that I have seen that are below 400rwhp include one TR224, 2 B1s, 1 T1, and one 226/234 (now 2 if you add mine in). Most of those are single pattern cams. Since I broke my rear end on the way to the track, I have still yet to run with the new setup. Moser 12 bolt and ET streets by next week!

Trevor @ Texas Speed & Perf.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by The Emperor Of Darkness:
[QBI had the same doubts until I realized that those guys have the split pattern(nitrous applications) no one with ARE heads on this post has single pattern! with split pattern you will sacrifice HP until you spray it and you will get a helluva numbers......
only my 0.02[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I totally disagree. The split-pattern cams listed aren't going to hurt your N/A performance. Yes, split-patterns do help the N2O applications, but it is not going to hurt your N/A performance.

Terry, if the dog hadn't stopped to take a **** he would've caught the rabbit. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

<small>[ July 02, 2002, 04:21 PM: Message edited by: Trevor D ]</small>

WICKED SS

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Now I am not sure to go with ARE with all these people with really low numbers on here and people I know around here <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
Not sure how but the guy I might buy these heads from made 430rwhp and 420torque-ARE stage 2?
And the TR224 cam is great for stock heads me and my friend have the same set up but he has FLP's with Corsa cat back and we both made 39x's but I had just alittle more torque most likly cause the loudmouth I have.
I am going to have to do alot more research now before I get heads.

GTP LS1

H/C make/stage: ARE Stage 2
Head Specs: 2.08/1.60
Cam Specs: MTI B1 - 221/221 .558/.558 114LSA
Dyno Numbers (and location): 383 rwhp/365 rwtq with 4.10 gears @ Woodbridge Dynotech : 387rwhp/369rwtq @ Altered Atmosphere before 4.10's
Best track time (street/radials) & location: Not yet
Best track time & location: Not yet
Major Mods (non std): FLP Longtube headers, ORY,Borla catback, 4.10 gears, lid, ported TB, LS6 intake, ASP Crank Pulley, ED Wright Tuning

Comments: I have not been happy with my heads. I broke a valvespring after only 1,800 miles. I did not even make it to the track yet. My car is down on power compared to similar cars too. My choices were to pull the heads or install the same crappy valve springs. ARE heads come with large valves so the 918's would not work. I pulled the heads and shipped them to ARE so the double springs could be installed. I asked ARE 6 different times what valvespring broke (941 or K-750) and asked them 6 times what size valves are in my car. They never gave me an answer. I bought them thinking they were 2.055/1.60.

My heads arrived at a shop yesterday and the installer did not have good things to say about the heads. They have 2.08/1.60 valves. He said they would work well for a stroker but are "hogged out" too much. He said velocity is the key and where you port, not how much you port is very important. The person who make this comment is very respected in the LS1 community and is a sponsor of this site.

While my car was down I am going to try the following:

Install bigger Cam 226/226 .591/.591 112
Install Mcleoud Clutch
Erase ED Wright Tuning and use LS1 Edit on the dyno.

In summary I would not buy from ARE Again. After all this work I hope to hit maybe 400rwhp. I will take it to the track too and see how it runs.