Heads and Cam -- Post your info
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Re: Heads and Cam -- Post your info Why not sell the heads (which may take a while) and buy some MTI stage 2's to go along with that MTI cam. ARE's work VERY poorly with other peoples cam's because they grind their cams in a way that make comparably HP by band-aid'ing their poor heads. I apologize if that hurts peoples feelings or gets me in trouble with nick. Throw on some MTI 2.055/1.60 S2's or GTP 2.02/1.57 S2's with 918's. 430rwhp would be easy. LS1_Edit wouldnt be a bad idea either.
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Re: Heads and Cam -- Post your info Thanks for the suggestion Ryan but I am not going to do that for financial reasons. I will just get the most out the the heads with tuning / cam and leave it.
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Re: Heads and Cam -- Post your info any one have an easy way to contact Nick @ ARE? I would like to get in touch with him before I really start in on this.
I have been looking at track times also, not just dyno numbers. Barely making 11's with 117 traps on an M6 supports my opinion on design flaws in ARE's heads. Those are the numbers I have been seeing, even if you look at ARE's website under their customer's with the same setup.
I have been looking at track times also, not just dyno numbers. Barely making 11's with 117 traps on an M6 supports my opinion on design flaws in ARE's heads. Those are the numbers I have been seeing, even if you look at ARE's website under their customer's with the same setup.
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Re: Heads and Cam -- Post your info thats great, but I already dropped almost 5 grand into trying to make this combo work. Other people out there still have a choice, Im stuck with this -- no more money going into this project right now.
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Re: Heads and Cam -- Post your info </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SOON2BTA:
<strong>And to think that ARE was going to be my choice for a head/cam package.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />
Now I don't know!!!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You are probably still ok with their stage I setup, which is 2.02/1.57, although I cant vouch for the porting/hogging out that might be on that setup also or other quality issues.
<strong>And to think that ARE was going to be my choice for a head/cam package.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />
Now I don't know!!!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You are probably still ok with their stage I setup, which is 2.02/1.57, although I cant vouch for the porting/hogging out that might be on that setup also or other quality issues.
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Re: Heads and Cam -- Post your info I wanted their stage 2 package
2.055 / 1.60
I'm looking around 415-430 rwhp and the torque around 400, I want to run mid -low 11's
I wonder how far MTI or TR is from Toronto Canada?? oh damn that's way too far Texas & Baton Rouge ...
This is not good, Guess Im stuck with ARE, great!!!
<small>[ July 03, 2002, 01:40 PM: Message edited by: SOON2BTA ]</small>
2.055 / 1.60
I'm looking around 415-430 rwhp and the torque around 400, I want to run mid -low 11's
I wonder how far MTI or TR is from Toronto Canada?? oh damn that's way too far Texas & Baton Rouge ...
This is not good, Guess Im stuck with ARE, great!!!
<small>[ July 03, 2002, 01:40 PM: Message edited by: SOON2BTA ]</small>
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Re: Heads and Cam -- Post your info </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SOON2BTA:
<strong>I wanted their stage 2 package
1.055 / 1.60
I'm looking around 415-430 rwhp and the torque around 400, I want to run mid -low 11's
I wonder how far MTI or TR is from Toronto Canada?? oh damn that's way too far Texas & Baton Rouge ...
This is not good, Guess Im stuck with ARE, great!!!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">They do not make the 2.055/1.60 now..all the stage IIs are 2.08.
<strong>I wanted their stage 2 package
1.055 / 1.60
I'm looking around 415-430 rwhp and the torque around 400, I want to run mid -low 11's
I wonder how far MTI or TR is from Toronto Canada?? oh damn that's way too far Texas & Baton Rouge ...
This is not good, Guess Im stuck with ARE, great!!!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">They do not make the 2.055/1.60 now..all the stage IIs are 2.08.
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Re: Heads and Cam -- Post your info from ARE
LS1 stage 2 Cynlinder head
Stainless Steel Manley Race Flo 2.08 or 2.055 / 1.60 Valves
Competition Cams Moly Retainers
New Enlarged Racing Interlocking Seats Throughout
Bronze Valve Guides
All Related Necessary Porting For Increased Valve Sizes
Fully Assembled Cylinder Head
LS1 stage 2 Cynlinder head
Stainless Steel Manley Race Flo 2.08 or 2.055 / 1.60 Valves
Competition Cams Moly Retainers
New Enlarged Racing Interlocking Seats Throughout
Bronze Valve Guides
All Related Necessary Porting For Increased Valve Sizes
Fully Assembled Cylinder Head
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Re: Heads and Cam -- Post your info </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SOON2BTA:
<strong>from ARE
LS1 stage 2 Cynlinder head
Stainless Steel Manley Race Flo 2.08 or 2.055 / 1.60 Valves
Competition Cams Moly Retainers
New Enlarged Racing Interlocking Seats Throughout
Bronze Valve Guides
All Related Necessary Porting For Increased Valve Sizes
Fully Assembled Cylinder Head</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">There webpage is out of date. I actually ordered the 2.055s and got the 2.08s.
<strong>from ARE
LS1 stage 2 Cynlinder head
Stainless Steel Manley Race Flo 2.08 or 2.055 / 1.60 Valves
Competition Cams Moly Retainers
New Enlarged Racing Interlocking Seats Throughout
Bronze Valve Guides
All Related Necessary Porting For Increased Valve Sizes
Fully Assembled Cylinder Head</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">There webpage is out of date. I actually ordered the 2.055s and got the 2.08s.
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Re: Heads and Cam -- Post your info Then that would explain it
sorry my bad, wow 2.08....why are they going that route.. What???? Are they expecting, all of their customers will be getting bigger cubed engines???
Then I guess I will have to ship the car to MTI or TR(from Toronto Canada, Hell expensive) once I'm ready
What about Cartek??
<small>[ July 03, 2002, 01:58 PM: Message edited by: SOON2BTA ]</small>
sorry my bad, wow 2.08....why are they going that route.. What???? Are they expecting, all of their customers will be getting bigger cubed engines???
Then I guess I will have to ship the car to MTI or TR(from Toronto Canada, Hell expensive) once I'm ready
What about Cartek??
<small>[ July 03, 2002, 01:58 PM: Message edited by: SOON2BTA ]</small>
Re: Heads and Cam -- Post your info </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SOON2BTA:
<strong>sorry my bad, wow 2.08....why are they going that route.. What???? Are they expecting, all of their customers will be getting bigger cubed engines???</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As Ryan said, it helps flow #'s. Good luck trying to unshroud the valves with a stock bore and 2.08" intake. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
If you're interested in TR or MTI, you can always order the package and have it installed somewhere closer to you. JPR, Speed Inc., Cartek, etc. Both TR and MTI will work with you over the phone to pick a package that suits your needs. If you're not happy with your choices locally, I definitely wouldn't go with them just because they're closer! JMO
<strong>sorry my bad, wow 2.08....why are they going that route.. What???? Are they expecting, all of their customers will be getting bigger cubed engines???</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As Ryan said, it helps flow #'s. Good luck trying to unshroud the valves with a stock bore and 2.08" intake. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
If you're interested in TR or MTI, you can always order the package and have it installed somewhere closer to you. JPR, Speed Inc., Cartek, etc. Both TR and MTI will work with you over the phone to pick a package that suits your needs. If you're not happy with your choices locally, I definitely wouldn't go with them just because they're closer! JMO
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Re: Heads and Cam -- Post your info I have just ordered 2.055 /1.6 from ARE and thats what I am getting. well thats what Nick said best for my setup. it I get 2.08 I am sending them back no exceptions!
Re: Heads and Cam -- Post your info What heads do you guys think I should go with since I have the TR224 cam, TR S2's? Man to think I almost wasted my money on some ARE S2 with 2.08 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
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Re: Heads and Cam -- Post your info Alot of good being said about MTI and GTP....what about Cartek? Their heads seem to put up good numbers. I've narrowed my choices down to these three.
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Re: Heads and Cam -- Post your info Cartek is a good shop. good dyno numbers and track times. keep in mind though that MTI and GTP users (TR uses GTP heads) are pretty spread out, most really fast Cartek set-ups have been tuned by Cartek and are local. Same with MMS. Coincidence perhaps...who knows. Locality can become a factor when choising shops as well (as you can see with Cartek), but dont let that rule your decision.
First thing I do when i want to spend money somewhere is call that shop. If the service sucks, why should they get your money?
First thing I do when i want to spend money somewhere is call that shop. If the service sucks, why should they get your money?
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Re: Heads and Cam -- Post your info Just picked up today from Speed INC.
HEADS: GTP STAGE 2 w/custom milling
CAM: Comp 224/228 112 LSA
No times yet
Other MODS: LS6 intake, MACS w/offroad, 160*t-stat, plugs&wires, custom dynotuning
MAX RWHP=423.1
MAX TORQUE= 395.7
HEADS: GTP STAGE 2 w/custom milling
CAM: Comp 224/228 112 LSA
No times yet
Other MODS: LS6 intake, MACS w/offroad, 160*t-stat, plugs&wires, custom dynotuning
MAX RWHP=423.1
MAX TORQUE= 395.7
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Re: Heads and Cam -- Post your info 2.08's are such a waste. "great on a stroker later" what the **** ever. IF you went from a 346 with heads and cam and later went with a larger bore you WOULD NEED head work to see proper gains. the chamber would need to be opened up to the proper size. 2.055 are the absolute biggest i would ever go. and the only reason id get those is because thats what MTI uses. Nick uses the 2.08's to boost flow numbers.
and yes, MANY a 221-224 cam'd cars with stock heads have hit 375-395rwhp. its not hard. the cams just work. I saw a guy dyno with stock heads, the normal boltons, 17x11's, and STOCK tuning this 400rwhp....with a B1. magic? bs? nope.
what about the dyno's TR puts out. 420rw from GTP heads and the 224? and MTI's countless 400+RWHP cars with nothing but a HPP3. a local guy here dyno'd a 417 in april of 2000 with S2 ehads and a T1. LS1 intake. After adding 4.10's over his 3.42's, an LS6 intake and a mufflex catback over his cutout (untouched mac's with stock collector BTW), he makes 43x as of today. pretty good for a 2 year old set up. just FYI to all those looking at this thread for guidance.
what makes it worse is guys like ezss goes in thinking he's got the absolute **** when it comes to heads...now the guy doesnt return calls or emails, his power blows, and he's unhappy.
ARE LS1. didnt realize $ was a factor. I wouldnt go buy another set of heads either, man. That cam should work nicely when tuned properly. you may want to try to pick up an XE-R 228/228. its big, but it would make up for the disparity in power your experiencing. TR has a 230/224, 227/227. MTI has a 230/227. RagingMS has a 230/230.
and yes, MANY a 221-224 cam'd cars with stock heads have hit 375-395rwhp. its not hard. the cams just work. I saw a guy dyno with stock heads, the normal boltons, 17x11's, and STOCK tuning this 400rwhp....with a B1. magic? bs? nope.
what about the dyno's TR puts out. 420rw from GTP heads and the 224? and MTI's countless 400+RWHP cars with nothing but a HPP3. a local guy here dyno'd a 417 in april of 2000 with S2 ehads and a T1. LS1 intake. After adding 4.10's over his 3.42's, an LS6 intake and a mufflex catback over his cutout (untouched mac's with stock collector BTW), he makes 43x as of today. pretty good for a 2 year old set up. just FYI to all those looking at this thread for guidance.
what makes it worse is guys like ezss goes in thinking he's got the absolute **** when it comes to heads...now the guy doesnt return calls or emails, his power blows, and he's unhappy.
ARE LS1. didnt realize $ was a factor. I wouldnt go buy another set of heads either, man. That cam should work nicely when tuned properly. you may want to try to pick up an XE-R 228/228. its big, but it would make up for the disparity in power your experiencing. TR has a 230/224, 227/227. MTI has a 230/227. RagingMS has a 230/230.