FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!!
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Re: FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!! this EXACT same thing happened to me in my old 2000 firebird v6. Insurance covered it, I went through a puddle that was a lot bigger than it looked. Hydrolocked...cost $3500 in repairs from the dealer. It was fixed though. My whole interior got flooded too and they put brand new carpeting in! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> . I got rid of the car 6 months later and got my 02 z28.
Re: FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!! I know people that have done it.Windowed the block.
Wouldn't happen with FIPK,then again,I don't drive the car in the rain.
It sucks,your fault or not.
Wouldn't happen with FIPK,then again,I don't drive the car in the rain.
It sucks,your fault or not.
Re: FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!! I would go ahead and pull #8 out (try from under the car) then try and turn the engine over by the crank bolt. You are frying your starter and flywheel/flexplate. Also, you may have fried the starter or solenoid already. Calm down and diagnose the trouble before jumping to conclusions. As long as you weren't hard on the throttle when it died, you may be ok...
Hope this helps...
Shane
Hope this helps...
Shane
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Re: FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BIGBOS:
<strong>You can't really blame anything but yourself for driving through 8 inches of water...our cars suck air from under...the FTRA makes it worse cause its a direct path....
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The only air that comes up from underneath is the air for the cooling system ... That's why the FTRA and the FRA expose you to hydrolocking, in these scenerios, because they cannabalize air from the cooling system.
Air for the engine is forced up though the bumper and along the hood to feed the air intake ... You literally would have to just about put the front bumper completely under water, before you reached a scenerio that would hydrolock the engine, using only the stock air flow access.
<small>[ August 26, 2002, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: MysticZ28 ]</small>
<strong>You can't really blame anything but yourself for driving through 8 inches of water...our cars suck air from under...the FTRA makes it worse cause its a direct path....
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The only air that comes up from underneath is the air for the cooling system ... That's why the FTRA and the FRA expose you to hydrolocking, in these scenerios, because they cannabalize air from the cooling system.
Air for the engine is forced up though the bumper and along the hood to feed the air intake ... You literally would have to just about put the front bumper completely under water, before you reached a scenerio that would hydrolock the engine, using only the stock air flow access.
<small>[ August 26, 2002, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: MysticZ28 ]</small>
Re: FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Brian99Z28:
<strong>I still think the FTRA is the silliest mod anyone could do. For what maybe .5 rwhp? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thats probably the stupidest statement I've ever heard. This from someone whose mods consist of "Hurst", probably the worst shifter ever made, and only slightly better than the stock pos, Flowmaster 80 series, probably causing you to LOSE 3-5 HP (Yes, I've had one, and in addition to sounding like ***, it flows poorly, due to its inner design), cutout, while a good HP per dollar mod, probably one of the most impractical mods, adds way too much noise, you'll look like an idiot who is only a step above a ricer, not to mention good luck with not drawing cops attention. Maybe that .5 RWHP from the FTRA would bring your car back up to the 300rwhp level it was at before that muffler. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> The FTRA has shown a .10 or greater improvement on several cars (mine included, which is probably more than all of your cars mods to date). I wouldn't drive my TRUCK through 8" of water, much less a LS1? Please...yeah, its the FTRA fault.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" />
:RANT MODE OFF:
<small>[ August 26, 2002, 05:32 PM: Message edited by: SPANKY LS1 ]</small>
<strong>I still think the FTRA is the silliest mod anyone could do. For what maybe .5 rwhp? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thats probably the stupidest statement I've ever heard. This from someone whose mods consist of "Hurst", probably the worst shifter ever made, and only slightly better than the stock pos, Flowmaster 80 series, probably causing you to LOSE 3-5 HP (Yes, I've had one, and in addition to sounding like ***, it flows poorly, due to its inner design), cutout, while a good HP per dollar mod, probably one of the most impractical mods, adds way too much noise, you'll look like an idiot who is only a step above a ricer, not to mention good luck with not drawing cops attention. Maybe that .5 RWHP from the FTRA would bring your car back up to the 300rwhp level it was at before that muffler. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> The FTRA has shown a .10 or greater improvement on several cars (mine included, which is probably more than all of your cars mods to date). I wouldn't drive my TRUCK through 8" of water, much less a LS1? Please...yeah, its the FTRA fault.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" />
:RANT MODE OFF:
<small>[ August 26, 2002, 05:32 PM: Message edited by: SPANKY LS1 ]</small>
Re: FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!! That sucks Billy, you have my sympathy. Yeah, its your own damn fault but it wasnt intentional. **** happens sometimes. Like the accident I had with the roof mounted bike rack. That put some serious dents on my cars roof. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="gr_emb.gif" />
Hopefully there is only minimal damage to the engine. Good Luck <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
Hopefully there is only minimal damage to the engine. Good Luck <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
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Re: FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!! Ok, I finally got the 8th plug out, and I just tried to turn it over once with the key, and the starter just made the same grinding noise, so I stopped immediately.
This whole cranking it by hand thing makes me a bit nervous.
How do I do it?
Do I need to jack the car up?
Do I need to take the belts off?
Which direction do you crank it, clockwise or counter clockwise?
I don’t have a breaker bar, just that typical ½” drive socket wrench in my Sears kit, and the big sockets for it.
How many times do you crank it? One full turn? Ten full turns?
Thanks.
This whole cranking it by hand thing makes me a bit nervous.
How do I do it?
Do I need to jack the car up?
Do I need to take the belts off?
Which direction do you crank it, clockwise or counter clockwise?
I don’t have a breaker bar, just that typical ½” drive socket wrench in my Sears kit, and the big sockets for it.
How many times do you crank it? One full turn? Ten full turns?
Thanks.
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From: NJ
Re: FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!! I tried to crank the motor with my big socket wrench, and a 1" socket on the nut of the Big pulley at the very bottom of the motor.
I tried as hard as I could to crank it clockwise, but it wouldnt budge.
The car was in park, and the belt is still on there.
Am I doing somthing wrong here?
I tried as hard as I could to crank it clockwise, but it wouldnt budge.
The car was in park, and the belt is still on there.
Am I doing somthing wrong here?
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Re: FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!! The starter made a grinding noise? Did you check all the starter connections..? It should try and turn over. When you drove thru the water did the car shut off immediately?
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Re: FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!! Yes it shut off immediately... and the very first time I tried to start it after pushing it out it made this really loud screeching/grinding noise, and still makes that same exact noise today.
It never tried to turn over once after it stalled, and still won't.
Someone said it could be the flywheel, or flex plate or starter that's shot.
But all the plugs were wet, and my oil cap had water on the inside of it.
<small>[ August 26, 2002, 07:40 PM: Message edited by: BillyT ]</small>
It never tried to turn over once after it stalled, and still won't.
Someone said it could be the flywheel, or flex plate or starter that's shot.
But all the plugs were wet, and my oil cap had water on the inside of it.
<small>[ August 26, 2002, 07:40 PM: Message edited by: BillyT ]</small>
Re: FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!! Billy, most likely you have torched your motor. You could have also ruined the starter as well. With all of the plugs out there is virtually no compression on the motor so it should be relatively easy to turn over unless something is hurt pretty bad. If you have a soaked air filter, water running out of your TB and intake, wet plugs, water in the oil and a wet oil cap, those are really bad signs.
You ran through high water when the engine was running and hot. What probably happened was that you damaged several pistons, bent the push rods and or connecting rods. Also all of the internals could have expanded due to the cool water entering a hot combustion engine, thus hydrolocking the motor.
If you can't turn over the motor with the plugs out with a ratchet then something is hurt. No offense, but you need someone with a decent amount of mechanical aptitude and ability to check out your car to determine what damage has been done. Driving into deep water is not the fault of the FTRA. When you get your car back running you should continue to run the FTRA, but use the block off plate in heavy rain and avoid standing water. Good luck.
You ran through high water when the engine was running and hot. What probably happened was that you damaged several pistons, bent the push rods and or connecting rods. Also all of the internals could have expanded due to the cool water entering a hot combustion engine, thus hydrolocking the motor.
If you can't turn over the motor with the plugs out with a ratchet then something is hurt. No offense, but you need someone with a decent amount of mechanical aptitude and ability to check out your car to determine what damage has been done. Driving into deep water is not the fault of the FTRA. When you get your car back running you should continue to run the FTRA, but use the block off plate in heavy rain and avoid standing water. Good luck.
Re: FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ragtop 99:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by cantdrv65:
<strong>I drove through at least a foot of water before with my '99 Z two weeks ago with no problems. No FRA or FTRA here...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> Are you a former U-Boat Commander?? <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />
.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I looked like a U-Boat commander with the Wake I was leaving behind.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> The water was above the bottom of my doors. I could see the water being pushed by the nose of the car. I'll never try that again but I would NOT have made it had I had FTRA or FRA....We had 11 inches of rain in 1hr 45mins! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by cantdrv65:
<strong>I drove through at least a foot of water before with my '99 Z two weeks ago with no problems. No FRA or FTRA here...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> Are you a former U-Boat Commander?? <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />
.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I looked like a U-Boat commander with the Wake I was leaving behind.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> The water was above the bottom of my doors. I could see the water being pushed by the nose of the car. I'll never try that again but I would NOT have made it had I had FTRA or FRA....We had 11 inches of rain in 1hr 45mins! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
Re: FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">We had 11 inches of rain in 1hr 45mins! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" /> Where do you live in Texas? I have a hard time believing 11 inches of rain in 1hr 45 minutes. Noah's ark didn't experience that much rain in such a short period of time. LOL.
<small>[ August 26, 2002, 09:20 PM: Message edited by: mmiller ]</small>
<small>[ August 26, 2002, 09:20 PM: Message edited by: mmiller ]</small>
Re: FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!! I had that happen to me before. I was fortunate;
Pulled all of the plugs, just "bumped" the ignition; and a bunch of junk came out. Changed the oil and plugs and it was fine. Try a new starter and see what happens.
Pulled all of the plugs, just "bumped" the ignition; and a bunch of junk came out. Changed the oil and plugs and it was fine. Try a new starter and see what happens.
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Re: FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mmiller:
<strong>Billy, most likely you have torched your motor. You could have also ruined the starter as well. With all of the plugs out there is virtually no compression on the motor so it should be relatively easy to turn over unless something is hurt pretty bad. If you have a soaked air filter, water running out of your TB and intake, wet plugs, water in the oil and a wet oil cap, those are really bad signs.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Unfortunately, I agree with mmiller. Everything you have described sounds like a classic hydrolocked motor. You should probably get someone who can build these engines/good mechanic to take a look at it. You will need to look at the engine internals to see exactly what happened. At the very least, you are likely looking at new rods, pistons, bearings, etc. A new crank will be needed if the journals are damaged. Worst case is that the block is gone also, which is unfortunately pretty easy to do in a case like this. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news . . .
<strong>Billy, most likely you have torched your motor. You could have also ruined the starter as well. With all of the plugs out there is virtually no compression on the motor so it should be relatively easy to turn over unless something is hurt pretty bad. If you have a soaked air filter, water running out of your TB and intake, wet plugs, water in the oil and a wet oil cap, those are really bad signs.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Unfortunately, I agree with mmiller. Everything you have described sounds like a classic hydrolocked motor. You should probably get someone who can build these engines/good mechanic to take a look at it. You will need to look at the engine internals to see exactly what happened. At the very least, you are likely looking at new rods, pistons, bearings, etc. A new crank will be needed if the journals are damaged. Worst case is that the block is gone also, which is unfortunately pretty easy to do in a case like this. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news . . .
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Re: FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by cantdrv65:
<strong>I looked like a U-Boat commander with the Wake I was leaving behind.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> The water was above the bottom of my doors. I could see the water being pushed by the nose of the car. I'll never try that again but I would NOT have made it had I had FTRA or FRA....We had 11 inches of rain in 1hr 45mins! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not likely - that would break the US record for a non-mountainous location. It is possible to get rainfall rates approaching that with landfalling tropical cyclones, provided there is adequate mass convergence brought about by land-surface friction. Outside of that, while rainfall can fall at that intensity level, sustaining it for 1 hour 45 min is a formidable task for the atmosphere.
<strong>I looked like a U-Boat commander with the Wake I was leaving behind.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> The water was above the bottom of my doors. I could see the water being pushed by the nose of the car. I'll never try that again but I would NOT have made it had I had FTRA or FRA....We had 11 inches of rain in 1hr 45mins! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not likely - that would break the US record for a non-mountainous location. It is possible to get rainfall rates approaching that with landfalling tropical cyclones, provided there is adequate mass convergence brought about by land-surface friction. Outside of that, while rainfall can fall at that intensity level, sustaining it for 1 hour 45 min is a formidable task for the atmosphere.
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Re: FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!! I guess I should put everything back together and make it all stock under the hood again, and call my Insurance Company, and try to file a claim with my comprehensive coverage.
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Re: FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!! Y'all are crazy running snorkels!
I thought F-Body owners had more sense!! I expect some of this from the bolt on C5 crowd.. Not worth the extra 3-5 HP for the risk. Esp. if you live in a flood zone like TX, FL, LA, etc..
I thought F-Body owners had more sense!! I expect some of this from the bolt on C5 crowd.. Not worth the extra 3-5 HP for the risk. Esp. if you live in a flood zone like TX, FL, LA, etc..
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Re: FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!! Hey I would check the starter from what you are saying. My 74 Z28 would alway kill a starter during the rain season in ElPaso because one road would flood a foot deep. Only way to formation and you guys know you AIN'T missing that!
If it is grinding the armature may just not be going out far enough ;0
Good luck!
BTW THE FTRA did NOT kill your car <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
If it is grinding the armature may just not be going out far enough ;0
Good luck!
BTW THE FTRA did NOT kill your car <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: FTRA HYDROLOCKED MY ENGINE!!!!! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BillyT:
<strong>I guess I should put everything back together and make it all stock under the hood again, and call my Insurance Company, and try to file a claim with my comprehensive coverage.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">When you were trying to manually crank the car was in park? Shouldn't it be in neutral??
-Dave
<strong>I guess I should put everything back together and make it all stock under the hood again, and call my Insurance Company, and try to file a claim with my comprehensive coverage.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">When you were trying to manually crank the car was in park? Shouldn't it be in neutral??
-Dave