ARP head studs - installing with motor in the car?
08-30-2002, 10:28 PM
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ARP head studs - installing with motor in the car? I'm doing a heads install this weekend and was wondering if anyone has installed or removed a set of heads with ARP head studs with the motor still in the car? We have done a few of them with the motor out, but none like this as of yet. I have heard it has been done and others said it's not possible.
Any experiences?
And no, these aren't my heads. Those go on in a few weeks. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Any experiences?
And no, these aren't my heads. Those go on in a few weeks. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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08-31-2002, 01:44 AM
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Re: ARP head studs - installing with motor in the car? I have not done this but I remember seeing a post that said it could be done. Good Luck!
08-31-2002, 02:02 AM
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Re: ARP head studs - installing with motor in the car? Last I heard according to Jayson at MTI it was possible. I beleive Visceral (on this board) blew his motor and pulled it apart in his garage, and I know he had head studs.
08-31-2002, 07:15 AM
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Re: ARP head studs - installing with motor in the car? Good question. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
What would be getting in the way?
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What would be getting in the way?
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08-31-2002, 10:42 AM
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Re: ARP head studs - installing with motor in the car? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jsears8:
<strong>Good question. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
What would be getting in the way?
Justin</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ummm....The %#$#$ Firewall/tunnel ??
I'd guess that you would have to put the studs in through the heads.....I dunno....???
<strong>Good question. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
What would be getting in the way?
Justin</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ummm....The %#$#$ Firewall/tunnel ??
I'd guess that you would have to put the studs in through the heads.....I dunno....???
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Re: ARP head studs - installing with motor in the car? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Slowhawk:
<strong>They will fit.Install the studs then put the heads on.THERE IS ROOM <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yup, just confirmed this with Visceral. 100% for sure they will go on with studs in.
<strong>They will fit.Install the studs then put the heads on.THERE IS ROOM <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yup, just confirmed this with Visceral. 100% for sure they will go on with studs in.
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Re: ARP head studs - installing with motor in the car? That looks bada$$ Justin! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> Did you and Jason get it put together today???
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Re: ARP head studs - installing with motor in the car? Yep, they fit with plenty room to spare. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
No, we didn't finish up today. We got a late start and Justin has to work at 6am tomorrow. We also need to fix one ground on the back of the driver's side cylinder head. The "eye" connector that the bolt goes through was pretty fatigued and eventually snapped off while getting it in place. We will finish up next Sunday. Having school and work all week sucks! <img border="0" alt="[guns]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" />
No, we didn't finish up today. We got a late start and Justin has to work at 6am tomorrow. We also need to fix one ground on the back of the driver's side cylinder head. The "eye" connector that the bolt goes through was pretty fatigued and eventually snapped off while getting it in place. We will finish up next Sunday. Having school and work all week sucks! <img border="0" alt="[guns]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" />
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Re: ARP head studs - installing with motor in the car? what gaskets are you guys using for head studs? i have a set of stockers, but i want to get something stronger.
09-03-2002, 02:13 PM
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Re: ARP head studs - installing with motor in the car? Install is easy. Clean out all the bolt holes really good, install the studs and torque them to 5 ft/lbs. We used a special socket to drive the studs in. Apply the supplied ARP lube on the tops of the bolts and nuts and torque them in 4 stages to 65ft/lbs.
EVIL, Cometic head gaskets would be a good choice ( stronger), however you can use the stock ones with them. Thunder Racing should have all the parts you need.
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EVIL, Cometic head gaskets would be a good choice ( stronger), however you can use the stock ones with them. Thunder Racing should have all the parts you need.
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Re: ARP head studs - installing with motor in the car? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jsears8:
<strong>Install is easy. Clean out all the bolt holes really good, install the studs and torque them to 5 ft/lbs. We used a special socket to drive the studs in. Apply the supplied ARP lube on the tops of the bolts and nuts and torque them in 4 stages to 65ft/lbs.
EVIL, Cometic head gaskets would be a good choice ( stronger), however you can use the stock ones with them. Thunder Racing should have all the parts you need.
Justin</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Once you have these installed how would you torque the heads down?Forgive me for my ignorance but I have never torqued down my heads before and want to know how it would work with these studs.Thanks.
<small>[ September 03, 2002, 02:25 PM: Message edited by: Alonzo ]</small>
<strong>Install is easy. Clean out all the bolt holes really good, install the studs and torque them to 5 ft/lbs. We used a special socket to drive the studs in. Apply the supplied ARP lube on the tops of the bolts and nuts and torque them in 4 stages to 65ft/lbs.
EVIL, Cometic head gaskets would be a good choice ( stronger), however you can use the stock ones with them. Thunder Racing should have all the parts you need.
Justin</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Once you have these installed how would you torque the heads down?Forgive me for my ignorance but I have never torqued down my heads before and want to know how it would work with these studs.Thanks.
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09-03-2002, 02:36 PM
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Re: ARP head studs - installing with motor in the car? Once you set the head over the studs you place the washers and nuts on top. You use the same sequence as stock but torque the nuts in 4 stages to 65ft/lbs.
Stock bolts have to be torqued using an angle gauge and are not re-usable. With the studs you don't have to ever clean the bolt holes out again, buy new head bolts, or deal with angle torquing the bolts.
Stock bolts have to be torqued using an angle gauge and are not re-usable. With the studs you don't have to ever clean the bolt holes out again, buy new head bolts, or deal with angle torquing the bolts.
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Re: ARP head studs - installing with motor in the car? Ok, i have a question.
When you put the studs in, does the stud take up the WHOLE bolt hole so there is no gap for coolant to leak down into next time I pull the heads off, or are the studs a little smaller in diameter? I think I'd stud the block if it meant I'd never have to clean out those bolt holes again. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
When you put the studs in, does the stud take up the WHOLE bolt hole so there is no gap for coolant to leak down into next time I pull the heads off, or are the studs a little smaller in diameter? I think I'd stud the block if it meant I'd never have to clean out those bolt holes again. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: ARP head studs - installing with motor in the car? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jsears8:
<strong>Install is easy. Clean out all the bolt holes really good, install the studs and torque them to 5 ft/lbs. We used a special socket to drive the studs in. Apply the supplied ARP lube on the tops of the bolts and nuts and torque them in 4 stages to 65ft/lbs.
EVIL, Cometic head gaskets would be a good choice ( stronger), however you can use the stock ones with them. Thunder Racing should have all the parts you need.
Justin</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">would you use stock ones to spray a 200 shot on with the head studs?
<strong>Install is easy. Clean out all the bolt holes really good, install the studs and torque them to 5 ft/lbs. We used a special socket to drive the studs in. Apply the supplied ARP lube on the tops of the bolts and nuts and torque them in 4 stages to 65ft/lbs.
EVIL, Cometic head gaskets would be a good choice ( stronger), however you can use the stock ones with them. Thunder Racing should have all the parts you need.
Justin</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">would you use stock ones to spray a 200 shot on with the head studs?
09-03-2002, 06:42 PM
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Re: ARP head studs - installing with motor in the car? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jsears8:
<strong>Once you set the head over the studs you place the washers and nuts on top. You use the same sequence as stock but torque the nuts in 4 stages to 65ft/lbs.
Stock bolts have to be torqued using an angle gauge and are not re-usable. With the studs you don't have to ever clean the bolt holes out again, buy new head bolts, or deal with angle torquing the bolts.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Where did you get the 65ft/lb number?
Is that a standard torque used for heads [not] using torque to yield bolts (ie: SB Chevy)?
Ron,
BTW, I would assume the smaller M-8mm bolts along the top of the heads would need a torque value much less than 65 ft/lb?
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<strong>Once you set the head over the studs you place the washers and nuts on top. You use the same sequence as stock but torque the nuts in 4 stages to 65ft/lbs.
Stock bolts have to be torqued using an angle gauge and are not re-usable. With the studs you don't have to ever clean the bolt holes out again, buy new head bolts, or deal with angle torquing the bolts.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Where did you get the 65ft/lb number?
Is that a standard torque used for heads [not] using torque to yield bolts (ie: SB Chevy)?
Ron,
BTW, I would assume the smaller M-8mm bolts along the top of the heads would need a torque value much less than 65 ft/lb?
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<small>[ September 03, 2002, 06:44 PM: Message edited by: Kimchee and Rice ]</small>