Damian

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Vincey poo, did I hurt your wittle feewings when I talked about your power deficient setup? After all, you only make 50 more rwhp than me with stg 2 5.3 heads, a 226 cam and tuning. That could be made up in driver and weight.....Looks who's talkin now <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

Josh

VINCE

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First of all.. The tuning is mail order and takes a few more 2nd day airs to get it right. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I am going to Thunder to correct the tuning.. I can drop weight as well buddy.. <img border="0" alt="[Banging Head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" /> I will have you doing this against a wall trying to figure out how to beat my FT heads.. You cant stop the train.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Ron@Vengeance

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Shon Herron:
<strong>[QUOTE]Originally posted by VINCE:
[qb]I need to go to Georgia to see the monsters run..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">you'll have to look for a while, I have yet to see a <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Buhahaha, Like Josh said, come on down. Ill damn sure entertain ya. Im quite sure you will have your hands full with a few of us. BTW, that damn sure includes me <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

VINCE

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I am just coming down to have fun.. The guy or girl that made the comment about me having to look for a while has not responded back yet.. However, I will come to Atlanta for kicks.. Its only a 7 hour drive to lay some smack down... <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

Damian

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LOL...It's all in friendly fun. Vince you know you're my boy, I am just ****** with ya like always <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> ...

I guess we didn't have any takers from Mr. South Carolina <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />

VINCE

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I knew you were playing.. I am a smack talker just like everyone else. I am not afraid to admit my car is slow. Can you.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Billy C

Well , since I scattered my shortblock last week and the wife says NO MORE SPRAY , I want to put a good cam in along with LS6 intake and headers , I have an A4 with a SY3500 , would this cam be a good choice or would the hotcam be better , also about how much should I expect to pay for the setup(cam , springs , etc)?

Shon Herron

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VINCE:
<strong>I need to go to Georgia to see the monsters run..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">you'll have to look for a while, I have yet to see a good running N/A LS1 from GA.

Damian

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Are any of you in with GAFBA? Those are the guys I hang out with on track days and there are a few LS1s in the 11s but I am not overly impressed. There is 1 NOS fed LS1 in the 10s, and probably a handful and a half in the 11s.
I am just a little ole LT1 but still do OK. October is the next track day at SDR, I hope to see the upper side of 11s in my LT1.

What tracks do you run in GA? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Most of the guys in the GAFBA don't know much about modding LS1's. Most of them just install what they read about in Magazines. Other have their car worked on at ACD, which is also known for building mid 12 second 383's <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> . And they mostly run at Commerce, which is one of the slowest tracks in the country. For comparison, there are Z06's running 13's at Commerce, just to give you an idea.

We run down at SDR. There are several good running N/A LS1's running down there all the time. Bunch's making 400+ rwhp trapping 120+ in the 1/4 with heads/cam only. Quite a bit of us are faster though <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> ..

What mods do you have done to your LT1? I used to have a 96 SS myself, I miss it....

josh

<small>[ August 03, 2002, 01:51 AM: Message edited by: Damian ]</small>

Shon Herron

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Damian:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Shon Herron:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VINCE:
<strong>I need to go to Georgia to see the monsters run..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">you'll have to look for a while, I have yet to see a good running N/A LS1 from GA.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LMFAO.....Is that so? Why don't you come on down one weekend and put some money on that remark?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Are any of you in with GAFBA? Those are the guys I hang out with on track days and there are a few LS1s in the 11s but I am not overly impressed. There is 1 NOS fed LS1 in the 10s, and probably a handful and a half in the 11s.
I am just a little ole LT1 but still do OK. October is the next track day at SDR, I hope to see the upper side of 11s in my LT1.

What tracks do you run in GA?

Bout'ItZ28

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Why do you think the GM hotcam will spank a TR224 cam in a same setup car in a street race?[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">well chris b. i listened to u about replacing my hotcam w/ a 224 cam and i lost ~.2 and ~1.5mph in the 1/8th mile. once i find a good deal on a hotcam its goin back in the car

Shon Herron

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Damian:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Most of the guys in the GAFBA don't know much about modding LS1's. Most of them just install what they read about in Magazines. Other have their car worked on at ACD, which is also known for building mid 12 second 383's <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> . And they mostly run at Commerce, which is one of the slowest tracks in the country. For comparison, there are Z06's running 13's at Commerce, just to give you an idea.

We run down at SDR. There are several good running N/A LS1's running down there all the time. Bunch's making 400+ rwhp trapping 120+ in the 1/4 with heads/cam only. Quite a bit of us are faster though <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> ..

What mods do you have done to your LT1? I used to have a 96 SS myself, I miss it....

josh</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I some what agree with you abou GAFBA, but they rent a track 2X a year and I make the 4hour trip for some track time.

My LT1 was 355 stock LT4 H/I/HOT cam, Yank ST3500, 3.73s, rest of the BOs and went 12.27@108 down at Carolina Dragway. Not sure what the combo will be now, it is up on stands now, the trans is being replaced with a TH350, Heads are coming off and the rest is still uncertain, I would like to see some faster LS1 cars at the shoot out, If interested email me and we can get you 'invited'.

Later, SH

ChrisB

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Bout'ItZ28:
<strong>well chris b. i listened to u about replacing my hotcam w/ a 224 cam and i lost ~.2 and ~1.5mph in the 1/8th mile. once i find a good deal on a hotcam its goin back in the car</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This Albert?

Now, was the weather the same, how was the tuning, did you change anything else, and do you have any before and after dynoes

If you want to put your money where your mouth is <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> bring the car by and let's tune it. If we get similar DA's and other conditions and you don't go any faster tuning is free, plus I will pay you 200 bucks. On the other hand if the TR224 turns out to be faster you pay full price on tuning plus 200 bucks?

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Let me know!

Chris

Bout'ItZ28

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wzup chris how u doin?

weather conditions were the same ol hot humid weather. i went to the track 3 times all in a week and a half of each other. i have ed wright tuning remember. my car has never been on a dyno and i didnt change anything else. lol about the tuning hell aint rich but what have i got to lose <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> i need to get ahold of ed so he can unlock it

Andre

BLKWS6

Damian,
you right abou the track being slow. Although on the other hand, my car had a best of 12.9s there with just a few bolt ons and DR's. I've since had a cam+LS6 intake put on and gain some serious hp/tq. 316/337 ---> 394/422 <img border="0" alt="[devil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" /> haven ran it at Commerce yet but i'm planning on it soon. Do you ever run there? And i'm part of the GAFBA and MOST of those guys DO know what they are doing. Plus, like Shon said, they rent the track 2x a yr so thats pretty cool too. I tried sending you a PM when i got my car back but you never got it i guess.

sununix69

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ChrisB:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by sununix69:
FYI I would say 90% of the people on this board have the misconception that higher lift like 560+ lift is better... Its not. Depends on your application weather its better or not. Stock heads just do not need super high lift... </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">

Are you saying that high lift is bad, or that it just isn't needed? At what points to you consider "high-lift" to have been achieved? How would you answer the theory of "overlifting" - e.g. even though peak lift may be greater than you can "use" on a head you will still have more area under the curve (flow-wise) - since the valve spends more time at higher lift values - since it opens quicker. Remember - the amount of time spent at peak lift is actually very small?.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>
Why do you think the GM hotcam will spank a TR224 cam in a same setup car in a street race?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">On what do you base this? Are you drawing a distinction between a street race and a drag strip race? Are you implying that at a drag race the TR224 cam is faster, or are you implying that dyno numbers do not translate to real world performance. How do you define a street race?

thanks,
Chris Bennight</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well lets start this from a simple basics arena. If your heads have max flow at say .530 and you have a cam that has a lift of .530 it would work in a perfect world. But lift is not the only thing to look at. Valve overlap is necessary as well for higher Engine RPM's. Take a 224/224 single pattern 561/561 cam for example. If you do the match with the cam specs it has next to no overlap. Why do you want overlap????

In a single pattern cam you see that it is difficult to get the fuel/air in and the exhaust out in the small amount of time the engine allows. Therefore you need overlap to give the valves more time to do their job.

Naturally, the faster the engine turns, the worse this problem becomes. The limiting factor is how fast can the engine turn and still allow adequate time for the valves to do their job. Which in turn determines your engines top RPM.

A hotcam which is 217/228 525/525 112 has overlap of about 6.5 while a single pattern has almost zero overlap.

next comes the question about heads again, since you have .561 or so lift and the stock heads dont support that by any means, your wasting valve timing on lifting the cam that high, while a lower lift cam with overlap would have already taken the a/f mix in and the exhaust gases out several times before that cam does. And youre incorrect, you will NOT have more area under the curve as a result of the valve spending time at higher lift values, it will actually open slower NOT faster.

As far as the Hotcam vs 224 cam on a street yes I do have a video however I dont have the computer equipment to convert it to a MPEG.