BADZ

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Just ask yourself, who has 10 sec timeslips on 346 n/a H/C set ups? Again GTP and MTI as far as I know. Anyone else? I go by ET's... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

H82BBad

TEA,But I got to tell you that they dont have the great numbers seen by some as far as et's go.The reason I think they dont is they dont have many sets in the areas that get the best DA.I mean sure I can run 7.30's in the 1/8 with my 3550 lb car in DA of 3500 ft.Would I be faster in a DA of
-1500 ft?Most definatly I would <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> if I could hook it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Would be interesting to see what there heads would run on JCambells car,Or on TerryB's car.

99 Black Bird T/A

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 14u2nv:
99 Black Bird why would you say that you wouldn't consider ARE or MMS??? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">At one time, I wanted an ARE heads and cam package. However, several people in the Carolina Body club told me about their experiences with ARE. These people were very pro-ARE. I think North Carolina is just too far away. I'm not impressed with the results from many of ARE's current heads and cam packages either.

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ARE and MTI are the prime innovators for our LS1 power! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Very true. I'm still an admirer of what ARE & MTI did in the early days for LS1.

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LPE is ok, but expensive. I haven't seen any H/C F-bodies for LPE that impressed me. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Their customer service is outstanding. In raw power maybe not the most impressive...but LPE will do the job right...and you do pay for it!

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I wouldn't go with SLP either, mainly because of cost and SLP likes to steal other shop's designs and mark the price up A LOT. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">SLP good for somethings but not for heads and cam. I did ask them about their packages...for once they didn't lie about the power output. They only claimed 370 to 380 rwhp for heads and cam. Like you say very expensive.

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MMS has many fast cars out there, Terry can speak for them. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I like Terry <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> way better than I like MMS.

Pictures of some of heads they sent to mail order customers scared me away from MMS a long time ago. The spring issues a while back with MMS and they way MMS handled that and other issues turned me off. That was just another in a line of MMS customer issues I've seen online. Also too far away for me. MMS does have excellent cams etc.

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One problem the ARE has is their location for many people. I just don't feel that my money is worth a chance at maybe getting some good HP.]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Agreed

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Just giving my .02 worth gathered from what I read on LS1.com, LS1tech and a few people I know that dealt with the vendors in question. If someone whats to go ARE or MMS that's their choice...but it wouldn't be mine.

14u2nv

A lot has to do with ET. Stall converters play as big of a part in ET and the actual H/C does. Also TRACK! Guys down south Texas and so forth have great tracks, and low elevation if any <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> I am not calling anyone here anything, but I can't think of any H/C M6 cars from GTP or MTI that are running 10s. Raugh is running a major stall, which is the source of his ET and also weight(either one having nothing to do with MTI). Nineball (Tony)ran mid 11s on his H/C and low 11s with his 382 all-bore. Go to MTIs website, all their cars with stage 2 H/Cs that they have posted on the site run 11s, I didn't see any 10s. I haven't read anyone running 10s in a M6 with GTP heads either. I haven't seen any M6 cars from ARE running 10s either. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying ARE is the best, because they aren't! I think all the big boy companies have the capability to be as good as the other. I feel that the decision of which big boy to use is left to two things: location and customer service. I talked to Tony(nineball) about MTI last years(via email). I was also talking to Nick at ARE about their packages. I was originally talking to Nick about a 400+ stroker and an ATI Procharger D1, but I decided to go H/C and spend the extra on my 12 bolt, clutch. I decided to use ARE because of their great customer service and they are closer to me then MTI. Through word of mouth I heard about Mikey@ Rapid Motorsports. I called him up on a Saturday. He didn't answer the phone ao I left a message on his voice mail. He called me back THAT evening, on his cell phone out of state(he was trailering his car)! He talked to me for at least 30 min., now thats customer care, and I wasn't even a cutomer yet! I will be doing up either the 00 WS6 or my 98 Z28. I am really pleased with my ARE H/C but I may try another sponsors H/C just to have a completely different animal, but you can bet the Mikey will be doing ALL the work! GTP and MTI get my vote for great shops. As do the others I listed above.

JimmyKash

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by jmX:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JimmyKash:
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That way if they mess up or dont put down the numbers you just drive to whoever did them</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thats all good in theory, but if you get a proven setup right from the start from the right people the only place you'll need to worry about driving to is the drag strip. My heads from thunder racing seemed to fit the bill for me...and this is my 3rd set of LS1 heads. Every year a "new best" comes out on the market...and its because people are learning stuff about LS1 specific head porting and cam choice, which a local oldschool guy will have very little clue about.

These things aren't olschool 350's ya know <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> .</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Porting LSX type heads isn't as hard as you might think....if you have a GOOD head porter that knows how a cylinder head works he will know how to make them perform. I wish i had enough money to build an LS1 with the porter i use...i bet it could run a number but i cant so i wont benchrace about it. I'm not assuming everyone has a great headporter in their backyard....but if you do, why not let them try? I can name one good example of someone's heads that were ported by someplace no one has heard of and i dont even remember and with a 382 stroker/LS6 heads in a 3700+ car it went 11.dohs

Jantzer98SS

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BADZ:
<strong>Just ask yourself, who has 10 sec timeslips on 346 n/a H/C set ups? Again GTP and MTI as far as I know. Anyone else? I go by ET's... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I know of one local porter that doesn't advertise on here much, yet. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Why spend $2-$4K on a set of heads that will probably run the same as some other $1000-$1500 heads? You don't always get more when you pay more.

99 Black Bird T/A

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Seems to me using ET to estimate hp is misleading due to all the other factors like track prep, driver etc

Seems like MPH is a better than ET for estimating hp if your using track data. Probably would want to use MPH from M6 cars instead for estimating hp if the combined weight of the cars and drivers are about the same.

We all know Raughammer could run 11's better times with bolt on's than a lot guys with heads and cam could.