VINCE

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LOVE!!!

99 Black Bird T/A

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Vince,

I have a four direct comments for you:

1)READ WHAT WAS POSTED

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SRPracing:
<strong>Vince,
I had no intention to bash TEA. I was just stating what I see. I know that using a pipe will help the numbers. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Vince, the comments were clearly stated and intended as an observation not a bash.

2)Read it again

3)Vince, I don't mean to burst your whiney little bubble, but when you pi$$ in something, as you have a tendency to do, as you are doing on this thread, you very seldom make things better. Sorry if that offends you but it is a fact IMHO.

4)
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VINCE:
<strong>You know I have to respond to your last comment Jesse.. I would rather do it in person.. Bring your *** to the Thunder Racing Shootout..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm not sure if <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" /> or <img border="0" alt="[whiner]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> or <img border="0" alt="[barf]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_barf.gif" /> or <img border="0" alt="[gay]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_rainbow.gif" /> is the right reply to that. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

xssive

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With all of the bashing and head to head competition, I dont see why any reasonable shop has not offered to send their heads to a third party for a direct dyno/track comparison against other heads. One car, 4-5 sets of heads, same cam running dyno numbers and track times with each set. This would shut alot of people up and definately end the bashing match.

99 Black Bird T/A

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Brian @ TEA,

I appreciate the explaination you posted and it helps with understanding what's going on. It's also very nice to see a good sponsor like TEA on our board taking part in discussion.

I would also like to thank Brian for make an excellent set of heads that are affordable. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

VINCE

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LOL!!! You know where I will be.. Keyboard warrior!! You can defend your non proof reading friend all you want too, but I highlighted the bashing.. If I knock on your door and ask to use the phone and you let me in and I decide to do a Home Invasion.. By asking to use the phone first does not lesson the blow.. By Jesse complimenting one thing and making negative comments about another thing is bashing.. When you come on this board and make a negative comment about someone. That is bashing.. Plain and simple. If you cant see that then you are just as IGNORANT! I can care less what ANYONE thinks of me.. Stack it like you like it.. You want to put a end to my opinions then you need to take drastic actions.. I will defend anyone of the vendors on this board if I think that an outsider has bashed them.. I will also bash a vendor if they have displayed poor intentions toward one of my peers on this board.. I am done with this.. I will be at the Thunder Shootout. If you see me there. I do not want to hear anything from you.. You need to speak with your hands.. I will give you some advice.. Sneak up on me..

383LQ4SS

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Brian...Thanks much for the info. Very informative and makes good sense. Personally I dont think you even had to come here to defend your heads...the numbers speak for themselves. I know my next head purchase will be from TEA. Thanks! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

SRP...What does it matter if TEA doesnt play by the same rules that you or everyone else does. They have their own techniques and have good succes with them. As we have seen many times here flow #s are not a tell all stat. Id say dyno #s and track times would be more important to the avg consumer than flow #s. Anyone can mislead the buyer.

<small>[ October 22, 2002, 01:49 AM: Message edited by: 383LQ4SS ]</small>

Fenris Ulf

Vince, I really doubt they comprehend your arguments, not even worth your time to reply <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

PS - I got your back at Thunder, or at least some of it (damn 6'7 people!)...

99 Black Bird T/A

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VINCE:
If you cant see that then you are just as IGNORANT! I can care less what ANYONE thinks of me.. Stack it like you like it.. You want to put a end to my opinions then you need to take drastic actions..I do not want to hear anything from you.. You need to speak with your hands.. I will give you some advice.. Sneak up on me..</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Vince, please clarify...as I'm clearly ill read and poorly spoken and therefore too ignorant to possibly understand whatever it is your attempting to say.

CHRISPY

Guys this childish bullshit has to stop. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" />
Keep it tech or I will delete it.
Chris

ps- Brian, thanks for your thoughts and thanks for keeping it on the civil side.

Hardtop

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Thanks for the info Brian. I was really interested about your comments regarding tuning. My personal experience confirms this. When we did my H/C swap with your heads, when I started the car for the first time it started instantly and when it warmed up idled great at the stock rpm. Around 780-800 rpm. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> XER 224/112/581. My buddies Ebbs and Andy took the car for a spin with EFI live the next day and Ebbs said someone must have tuned the car in the middle of the night it was so close. Another friend with this cam and stock heads had to really work on the tune up to get it to idle right. I still haven't drilled the throtle blade yet, which would help my hot restarts which aren't that bad. I'm real happy with my heads. 2 of the first 4 runs on these heads were 120+ mph trap speed. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Vince great points across the board and good job keeping things real. I agree with all your points.

SRPracing, nice introduction to the board. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[guns]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" />

Bruce

horist

Awesome info Brian!

I know I can't wait to get my set of 5.3L S2 TEA heads <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Though they're just going to sit in my bedroom until january heh.

Mike

SRPracing

To all,
I don't want to talk about this anymore. This has gone way to far. Brian and I have talked through email. I explained my views and he did his. My post was to TEA originally if you would go back and read it. No one else. I guess maybe this wasn't the right place to do it. But I wasn't addressing anyone else. And I surely wasn't bashing. Sorry I couldn't reply sooner, but I don't get around a computer till late in the evenings for a few minutes. I think some of you should go back and look at the comments you made. They were pretty childish and imature. This is why it is so hard for these website's to get intelligent people on them to speak. I have asked many people that I feel are "tops in the business", why they don't post on these boards. And the answer they gave was, "try it, you will see". I gave up on LS1.com a year ago after 2 years. It took this board 2 days. I will be back on occasion to see whats going on, but will keep my thoughts to myself. Anyone wants to comment further, please do it to me personally.
Thanks,
Jesse

H82BBad

Jessie
Word of advice. If you are posting to one person send him an email.Then it will answer your questions if that was the sole purpose of your post.
But you did kind of contradict yourself,IE stating that flowing with a pipe on the exhaust side was bogus but then stating that you clayed the intake port.If the exhaust doesnt need any flow adapters why would the intake? I know the answer.
Flow intake without clay and you are flowing the opening not the port. I think it is the same for the exhaust.
Most see this as new shop trying to show what they know and drum up business By trying to knock a reputable shop.I am not saying that was what you were doing,but some people thought that.Heck someone even thought you were saying the heads were dirty.And not put together right,I know thats not what you was saying.
You just want to check the work before you install them for your customer.But it really isnt your job to check out the work unless asked to do so right?If someone brings you a crate engine to install do you tell them you wont install it unless you dissassemble it and check everything even though you wont be warrenting it?I doubt it.

I would almost bet your converstaion with the customer went something like this. " Hey I checked out your heads and the intake looks good but the exhaust looks poor,I can flow them for you to make sure that you got what you were promised for a nominal fee.You make some more cash on the job, and happy customer shells out the extra cash cause he feels you are trying to look out for him.

Oh well I am done BTW this is not a bash <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I hope it didnt seem like one Jessie.

<small>[ October 22, 2002, 11:53 PM: Message edited by: H82BBad ]</small>

Go FasTA

Wow, lots of talk in here!

To SPRacing: Here's a news flash. There are no "standards" in the cylinder head aftermarket.

Tell me, what is the definition of "Stage I", "Stage II", "Stage III", etc.? Ask any of the big head producers and I bet you'll get a different answer for each. I've done business with Brian several times in the past and have spent quite a few hours at his shop. One thing you'll learn about Brian is that he's a car guy's head porter, not a bench racer. He doesn't go for gimmicks. One comment he made to me one day was that all the Stage classifications are worthless and he wished the industry would stop using them. There are no standards that determine a Stage I from a Stage II. He only labels his heads as such to try to operate within the industry.

Now ask about porting techniques...ah, once again, different answers.

Oh, and what about flow bench procedures? Surprise! They all do things differently.

What some of you seem to forget is that Brian is only in the business to port heads. Yes, he does sell parts as well, but heads are his focus. Many big shops only port heads on the side. Some of them even outsource the porting to someone with a CNC machine and then assemble them and perform valve jobs in shop. Brian is not making any false claims here. He's very real about everything. He has no reason to lie or give false expectations, as word of mouth is great advertising and he certainly doesn't want to lose business due to misrepresenting his products.

If you really want to question the techniques or philosophies at TEA, give them a call. Don't post negative comments on a board like this, unless you have all the answers.

Now, let's all play nice and race hard. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Andy

LS1derfull

I have posted about these high exh. flow numbers before and SRP racings post confirms my findings. 1.6 exh. valve does not flow 260 cfm, the bench has calibration issues, im sure these heads make great power, no question but those numbers are too high when you look at other experts exh flow .Pipe helps flow but actual headers tested bring flow numbers back down to earth, i have tested this.

99 Black Bird T/A

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SPR Racing has been outstandingly supportive in helping with my heads & cam package. Jesse has personally, saved my bacon on several different issues for this package. Here are a few examples

1) Hooker Headers - He spotted & corrected a misaligned O2 bung that would have caused inaccurate O2 readings. The O2 might have screwed in but the sensor would have been shielded from exhaust flow!

2) Hooker Headers - He spotted & corrected excessive slag in several of the primaries. Look ok to me at first glance but it clearly wasn't on closer inspection.

3) Hooker Headers - He found an alignment issue with the exhaust port. Header primary needs opening up a tad to fix the problem.

4) Another item I'm not going to post the details of because someone will misconstrue it but the item was critical.

SPR is checks the details very carefully. We know it's the little details that can kill a heads & cam project sometimes.

Many of the members on this thread have hastily jumped to false conclusions about SPR. Several years ago, Jesse happened to notice due to pictures posted of a short block, the engine builder had the pistons in wrong because of the way the valve reliefs were oriented. Always checking the details. I don't recall if the engine was an LS1, LT1, or SBC. The builder was very greatful when Jesse pointed this out. I don't know about you guys but that's the person I want working on my LS1

I would in recommend SPR fully to anyone looking someone qualified to do internal engine work. If I get to do the 382 Big Bore with my LS6 block, SPR will do the short block. If SPR is doing heads for Big Bore then, SPR will be at the top of my list, right beside TEA.

Likewise

TEA has been outstanding in helping me out as well. Brian & I talked and emailed several times about my package. I would happily purchase another set of TEA heads if I had another LS1. I ordered the gasket/bolt install kit today from TEA. I plan on ordering my cam from TEA when I make up my mind! If in the next year or two I get to swap a 382 Big Bore LS1 into my 72 Vette, when it's time for heads, TEA will be at the top of my list right beside SPR. I like TEA and recommend TEA to anyone intrested in GTP type power without the...well you know... <img border="0" alt="[angel]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_angel.gif" />

Best Regards
<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

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