GrannySShifting

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3460 last time I checked, depends on how much junk I have in it I guess

Mazzenger

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I have had 3 cams so far in my a4.
T1 221/221 on 112 - great lowend grunt. - top end power medoicre. good lope
F13 232/232 on 112 - crazy lowend and midrange power, decent top end power. good lope
MS3 237/242 on 113 - poor lowend - insane top end power. great lope

I do remember running a c5 at the track that same everything I had except running a 224 and vig 2800 stall.
I was running a sy3500 w/1.6 str and 221/221...I beat it by 3+ cars and trapped over 2mph more.. 221 not too bad.

Pound for pound the f13 is probably the most well rounded. of the three. But my fave is the MS3 now since I changed to 3:73s and 4000stall.
But i too wanted to play around in the upper rpms for now. 4000 stall w/6000rpm shift extensions, doesnt really matter about lowend,
it is there anyways.

I believe it is hard to compare dynos and track times to each other when there are so many variables to take into account.
If I were to get a new cam, Custom all the way!

Oh caddy lifters suck!

b4z

This has been a great thread except for all the talk about the "big" cams.
I've read through every post and since my requirements are a low, smooth idle, and not having to push the clutch in while driving in parking lots I'll probably end up with something in 212-214/216-218 range.
Sorry if some of you think I'll be wasting my money but those are MY requirements and needs.
I think this combo with lightly ported heads and 1 3/4" shorties or LTs with stock mufflers will give that 50 or so hp I'm looking for.
So if a stock '10 camaro SS or Nissan 370Z, etc. pulls up beside me...............................

joblo1978

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This is a really good thread here, as everyone has already been saying. I was lured in to the big cam craze for a bit, back when I was younger and newer to the tech. I still have a lot to learn but one thing I do know is the importance of under the curve power. You CAN go faster, alot faster with better under the curve power and less peak HP.

I think it's really funny how someone will ask you to race and just can't even get his car running. That **** is hilarious.

No matter what setup you're looking at running or ask someone about, generally people will recommend this high lift cam, no matter what. Bigger isn't always better in cams, unless your building an all out N/A street car, yeah, go for it then.

I've been discussing some car and bike tech with some guys recently. These guys really tried to say that a ZX14 is slower than a GSXR 750, because the GSXR was lighter. They said it was all about "power to weight ratio" and the ZX14 was heavy. I couldn't believe how silly the things I was hearing were. Trying to explain under the curve power, getting a good 60' foot, and traction and the different skills in driver was like trying to treaching a retard rocket science.

I went with an LPE GT2-3 for my build, it's not installed but I went for what was right with my combo. Everybody tried to get me on a huge cam to run with the maggie. I'm really looking forward to hoping to spank some big cam only nitrous guys.

99 Black Bird T/A

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You can get a nice low, smooth idle and drive around in parking lots without having to push the clutch in with a cam larger than 212-214/216-218. Car will need decent tuning etc. My T/A has a custom 224/224 and the only time it has an issue is creeping up hill in a parking deck at low rpm. Any M6 car will have problem with that sort of thing if you are going slow enough.

I think a TR220 would be worth looking at for your application. Probably a TR 224.

GrannySShifting

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Anything with a M6 and mid 220s duration cam can drive like absolutely stock.

In all likelyhood, a 212 dur cam of normal sorts, "lightly" ported heads whatever that means, and shorty headers will make less power and torque than somethign well picked out and tuned in the mid 220s and cost you $3000 vs $800.

The GT2-3 may pick up about 25 or so. About as good as your going to get with hardly any lope. Smooth idle, is it sound your after or even stable idle? you cna have a perfectly stable idle with cams that can make 20-50 more than what your talking about.

01ssreda4

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agreed. my car now can break the tires loose at 40 mph which used to be a huge dead spot for the auto. with a tr224 and 3200 stall it pulls everywhere with zero dead spots.

01 Bad Mutha F*****

Want a cam bad. Was planning on keeping stock heads, LS6 intake and adding a Shaner throttle body, other mods in SIg..

The car has to stay dependable and be good to drive from Detroit to Atlanta at the drop of a dime or able to survive rush hour traffic with no issues. What cam would have enough grunt to get a heavy full weight 98% street driven convertible with 275's off the line, have awesome mid range, have decent top end and still dyno 380-400rwhp and at least 375lbft.(by time of cam install S60 with 4.10's will be installed) I would like the redline set no more than 6800rpm because I do not want to spin the stock bottom end any faster.

I have been looking at the TR 224, TR 230, and the Speed Inc. SI2, SI3, SI4 or the SI007. I really could care less about the cam size, I just want something that will be fun with great low end torque.

BlackNiteWS6

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Just to add....back a few months i was asking around here about a small torquey street cam for smaller style heads and Predator-Z spec'd me out this cam: 218/224 .605/.610 113lsa+1.He said this cam would have about the same as most 224 cams but with alittle better low end and still pull like a freight train upstairs. Plus this cam can be used with ported heads or just cam only setups. And god knows he's a big time cam guru.

HTX

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That really doesnt mean anything until you get results. Anyone can speculate.

01 Bad Mutha F*****

I would like to see some numbers from that cam or something similar. Is it the +600 lift with relatively short duration that produces the torque?

WeathermanShawn

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218/224 113+1 LSA..

I would like to see some numbers on that cam too.

Having ran a 220/220 114+4 LSA before as a smog cam..cam/bolt-ons did 375/360. So ironically that 218/224 113+1 would be a good smog cam also.

Though lately there has been skepticism over the 'DCR" concept, I imagine that would be the plus of that cam spec given the correct Head and exhaust combination.

..WeathermanShawn..

MARKSZ71

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this has got to be my favorite thread i love the smaller cams

BlackNiteWS6

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Well to be honest its really all in the complete setup technically. But just for example with a set of mildly modded 241 heads and the usual bolt ons i ran consistent 11.7's in the 116's mph with just Comps old version 216/220 .525/.532 114lsa cam. And 2 of my buddies ran 11.6's with the Comp. 218/224 low lift 114lsa cam plus other went low 11's with the 218/224 as well. So the duration when used with the right setup run pretty good. Especially for guys looking for a good street car. So i can't see any reason why the Predator-Z spec'd cam wouldn't run the same or better times. not everyone wants a donkey dick cam.

BlackNiteWS6

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I agree 100%. The cam has something like a 8.7 or 8.8. The same must make a **** load of cylinder pressure. And the power band wouldn't be in the stratosphere either. I like it since i have a A4 and will run a Vig.3200. With all the right bolt ons this cam should run great. And looks like a nice for killer lower mid-range torque, just what makes for great street performers.

4bangermustang

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I miss my LS6 cam. It had pretty much stock drivabilty minus the stall.

Car went 12.1 on a 245 nitto, next to no susp., basic speed inc tune, shitty mid lenght mac headers, and a stall. Full weight, drove it all year around.

I know guys now that have heads and cam setups that have a hard time going that number....

SS Enforcer

I have a ls3 going in my car in a couple of months and am looking at a 218 228 550 550 112+4 cam to put in it. I think i could even use the stock valve springs, don't need a donkey dick cam and have had good sucess witha small cams ... 212 218 cam in a 6.0l l92 heads G8/Ve commodore A6 had miles of torque and would fry em at the hit ! easily. Needed a 224 228 to push the 4000 lb to 11.6 really didn't try to get a good slip 212 cam as it didn't have good pipes at the time slill got a low 12 with stock pipes.

this car is a 2004 Vy Hsv R8 like a 4 door like fully loaded gto inside so the ls3 will spice it up nicely has a m6 with 3.73's as well.

cheers

nighthawk355x

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This is the greatest thread I've seen on here!

Everyone pisses me off with their bullshit lope-a-dope cams. Meanwhile people that know wtf they're doing can take a car with a nice streetable cam, tune it right, and drive it like a raped ape...usually pissing on the guys with the monster cams.

I mean maybe it's just me, but I like being able to sneak up on people. And I also like being able to drive my car like stock, but still be able to go to the track and embarass all the dyno queens. For a lot of people it seems like it's all just a dick measuring contest. These kids need huge cams and think peak power is where it's at because they can't drive and are under the impression that power is everything. A good driver is worth more than any power mod you can throw at a car.

Every time I go to the track I see the same thing, and you guys probably do too. It's always the sickest sounding cars that run like ****. They're either not tuned right, built with mismatched parts, or just driven by spazoids.

I say make this thread a sticky and force every dum-dum noob who wants a monster cam to read it!!

Good thread guys!!!

99Bluz28

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EPS has a couple of cams that look good, 218/226 113 lsa, 222/226 113 lsa, but after talking to Geoff at EPS I ended up going with a custom grind of 222/234 115 lsa.

Predator-Z spec'd me out a cam to. It's a 220/226 .605, .600 114+2 LSA -4*, for stock heads and shorty headers.

WeathermanShawn

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Nighthawk:

I share your general passion toward the trend to always go bigger on cams. Some (or maybe a lot) just has to do with ego.

Granted my current ride has the 'biggest' cam I have ever had (I have had 5 different cams). but with my LSA is still has targeted an IVC of 42 which makes it a fairly low compared to a lot of bigger cams.

But it hauls becasue the combination is matched to my needs. I am 90% street, 10% track.

Maybe it is a a matter of age. I am not ancient, but I have passed the stage of life where ego determines a lot of decisions. I like your thread. I might have chosen some different words to express myself. And please do not take that observation personally. Just different styles of expressing our opinions.

The bottom line is that if you read some of the earlier threads where guys and gals with nothing but gearing, a little weight reduction, and with just bolt-ons and 224 cams..were running 11's time after time.

If you compare that with today, have the bigger cams really achieved that much greater HP that relates to better track times? Some of the dyno's are impressive, but getting that power to the ground and achieving better track times is a different matter.

Hey guys and gals, this is just an opinion..so do not take it personally. I could be wrong, but I am still fascinated how smaller cams with the right combo have been very impressive over the years.

I agree this thread is great. Thanks for considering my viewpoints. Again, I could be wrong, but I think smaller cams can be very impressive with the right combo.

Thanks for listening.

..WeathermanShawn..