Question for those with solid roller 346's
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Question for those with solid roller 346's I'm curious what cam specs and results people are getting with solid roller stock bottom end LS1's. I've seen Allan Futral's setup and it's nice. I'm curious what other setups are out there. This is just something I'm debating about at the moment, converting to solid roller stock bottom or just go for a 422/427 solid roller in total. Curious what your thoughts would be. I don't want this to be a my 422 is better than your 346 either. I just want honest opinions on a solid roller stock bottom end.
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Re: Question for those with solid roller 346's Derty, I had a solid roller last year with the stock bottom end and was very happy with the results. However, with the stock bottom end, you are very limited on cam selection since the stock motor will not live long past 7k rpms and you really cannot take very much material out of the stock pistons to get a large enough cam to fit. With the rpm range the stock bottom end can take, there are more than enough hydraulic rollers out there that will perform just as good as a solid. To take full benefit of the solid cam, you really need a built bottom end in my opinion. After doing so, you can go very big with the cam and not have to worry about piston to valve clearance or your motor shooting rod outside the block at 7400rpms. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
A set of high-compression LS6 heads and a 23x-24x cam with a built-bottom end would be one sweet 346ci setup.
If you have the choice between building a 346ci solid roller motor or a 422 hydraulic, I would do the 422 in a hearbeat. There is NOTHING like a docile 422 around town with torque everywhere.
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<small>[ November 06, 2002, 11:37 PM: Message edited by: Jason99T/A ]</small>
A set of high-compression LS6 heads and a 23x-24x cam with a built-bottom end would be one sweet 346ci setup.
If you have the choice between building a 346ci solid roller motor or a 422 hydraulic, I would do the 422 in a hearbeat. There is NOTHING like a docile 422 around town with torque everywhere.
Jason
<small>[ November 06, 2002, 11:37 PM: Message edited by: Jason99T/A ]</small>
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Re: Question for those with solid roller 346's </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jason99T/A:
<strong>Derty, I had a solid roller last year with the stock bottom end and was very happy with the results. However, with the stock bottom end, you are very limited on cam selection since the stock motor will not live long past 7k rpms and you really cannot take very much material out of the stock pistons to get a large enough cam to fit. With the rpm range the stock bottom end can take, there are more than enough hydraulic rollers out there that will perform just as good as a solid. To take full benefit of the solid cam, you really need a built bottom end in my opinion. After doing so, you can go very big with the cam and not have to worry about piston to valve clearance or your motor shooting rod outside the block at 7400rpms. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
A set of high-compression LS6 heads and a 23x-24x cam with a built-bottom end would be one sweet 346ci setup.
If you have the choice between building a 346ci solid roller motor or a 422 hydraulic, I would do the 422 in a hearbeat. There is NOTHING like a docile 422 around town with torque everywhere.
Jason</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What you sold out brother we cant have that. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> I would chose that too and then put a solid roller setup on it.For some strange reasons I just like to beaterize my sports cars.
<strong>Derty, I had a solid roller last year with the stock bottom end and was very happy with the results. However, with the stock bottom end, you are very limited on cam selection since the stock motor will not live long past 7k rpms and you really cannot take very much material out of the stock pistons to get a large enough cam to fit. With the rpm range the stock bottom end can take, there are more than enough hydraulic rollers out there that will perform just as good as a solid. To take full benefit of the solid cam, you really need a built bottom end in my opinion. After doing so, you can go very big with the cam and not have to worry about piston to valve clearance or your motor shooting rod outside the block at 7400rpms. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
A set of high-compression LS6 heads and a 23x-24x cam with a built-bottom end would be one sweet 346ci setup.
If you have the choice between building a 346ci solid roller motor or a 422 hydraulic, I would do the 422 in a hearbeat. There is NOTHING like a docile 422 around town with torque everywhere.
Jason</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What you sold out brother we cant have that. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> I would chose that too and then put a solid roller setup on it.For some strange reasons I just like to beaterize my sports cars.
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Re: Question for those with solid roller 346's I would more than likely put in some billy bad *** connecting rods and some new pistons as well. I would keep the stock displacement if I did it.
Re: Question for those with solid roller 346's Hey Jason, that LS6 headed, high compression, forged bottom end, stock CID sounds like a nice motor. Thought about going that direction myself one day. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Would be interesting to see what a beefy reverse split cam would do in one of those motors...
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Re: Question for those with solid roller 346's </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Camaroholic:
<strong>Hey Jason, that LS6 headed, high compression, forged bottom end, stock CID sounds like a nice motor. Thought about going that direction myself one day. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Would be interesting to see what a beefy reverse split cam would do in one of those motors...
-Andrew</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmmm Jason <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
I do agree with Jason,to take FULL potential of a big soild you will need to rev above 7000 RPM,and a completely stock bottom end won't do it for long. At the mininum replace the stock rod bolts with some good ones,which will push the window up to around 7200 as long as you dont have a detenation problem <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" />
The stock pistons are going to control your size.You could get a big duration\low lift cam and have reliefs cut into the stock pistons to clear,but then you weaken the pistons.
Our two smallest street solid rollers clear everything fine up to .015" milled heads.They wont make the "peak" HP numbers,but they have the extended REV without falling off.
But there is nothing like the feel of a big ci motor with oodles of TORQUE also. Two ways to make power,RPM or displacement-each has there own followers.
<small>[ November 07, 2002, 09:43 AM: Message edited by: Futral Motorsports ]</small>
<strong>Hey Jason, that LS6 headed, high compression, forged bottom end, stock CID sounds like a nice motor. Thought about going that direction myself one day. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Would be interesting to see what a beefy reverse split cam would do in one of those motors...
-Andrew</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmmm Jason <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
I do agree with Jason,to take FULL potential of a big soild you will need to rev above 7000 RPM,and a completely stock bottom end won't do it for long. At the mininum replace the stock rod bolts with some good ones,which will push the window up to around 7200 as long as you dont have a detenation problem <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" />
The stock pistons are going to control your size.You could get a big duration\low lift cam and have reliefs cut into the stock pistons to clear,but then you weaken the pistons.
Our two smallest street solid rollers clear everything fine up to .015" milled heads.They wont make the "peak" HP numbers,but they have the extended REV without falling off.
But there is nothing like the feel of a big ci motor with oodles of TORQUE also. Two ways to make power,RPM or displacement-each has there own followers.
<small>[ November 07, 2002, 09:43 AM: Message edited by: Futral Motorsports ]</small>
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Re: Question for those with solid roller 346's </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Camaroholic:
<strong>Hey Jason, that LS6 headed, high compression, forged bottom end, stock CID sounds like a nice motor. Thought about going that direction myself one day. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Would be interesting to see what a beefy reverse split cam would do in one of those motors...
-Andrew</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yep, you wouldn't know anything about getting one of those. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by : Futral Motorsports
<strong>But there is nothing like the feel of a big ci motor with oodles of TORQUE also. Two ways to make power,RPM or displacement-each has there own followers.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How about a big displacement motor that turns alot of RPMs? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Gordon... are you listenting? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
<strong>Hey Jason, that LS6 headed, high compression, forged bottom end, stock CID sounds like a nice motor. Thought about going that direction myself one day. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Would be interesting to see what a beefy reverse split cam would do in one of those motors...
-Andrew</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yep, you wouldn't know anything about getting one of those. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by : Futral Motorsports
<strong>But there is nothing like the feel of a big ci motor with oodles of TORQUE also. Two ways to make power,RPM or displacement-each has there own followers.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How about a big displacement motor that turns alot of RPMs? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Gordon... are you listenting? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
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Re: Question for those with solid roller 346's </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by GTS SS:
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Re: Question for those with solid roller 346's My biggest push would be to do something prior to the big motor. It's inevitable that I'm going to do a solid roller big motor. The rockers, valve covers and heads would all be usable there. If I had to reinforce the bottom end of the stock block to make it work I would. Now, I'm not quite sure how much extra it would be to just go for the big motor right off the bat. Assuming the rods and pistons are close in price. That really would leave me with the block and the crank. Guessing that makes up for almost $4500-$5000 once you get it resleeved and get the crank for it.
Am I off base here thinking that I can make some good power with stock displacement, reinforced lower end? Or do you think just going after the block, crank and the whole package really isn't as much as I'm estimating???
Am I off base here thinking that I can make some good power with stock displacement, reinforced lower end? Or do you think just going after the block, crank and the whole package really isn't as much as I'm estimating???
Re: Question for those with solid roller 346's My 422 is better than your 346 <img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" />
Steve, the more I look at it, the 422 with a solid roller & beefed up (more than normal) lower end, like rods, mains, and bolts.
Spray the hell outa it, and rev the hell out of it.. That would give you some serious <img border="0" alt="[Camaro]" title="" src="graemlins/camaro.gif" />
Does anyone run a solid on a 422? What kinda setup do you have? That would be some insane power!!
Steve, the more I look at it, the 422 with a solid roller & beefed up (more than normal) lower end, like rods, mains, and bolts.
Spray the hell outa it, and rev the hell out of it.. That would give you some serious <img border="0" alt="[Camaro]" title="" src="graemlins/camaro.gif" />
Does anyone run a solid on a 422? What kinda setup do you have? That would be some insane power!!
