Rethinking Cam choice... TR 227/224 or TR224? Head flow numbers within
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Rethinking Cam choice... TR 227/224 or TR224? Head flow numbers within
Ok... got my TEA Stage II 5.3L heads and here's the numbers:
lift - exh - int
.100 53 66
.200 113 133
.300 165 197
.400 209 249
.500 251 296
.600 258 301
The exhaust side seems to really flow well (as does the intake side)... given this would I be better going more duration on the intake side?
I was originally planning on a TR224 cam... but now I'm thinking maybe the TR 227 reverse split may be better? What do you guys think?
(on top of heads and cam I'm doing hardened pushrods, new lifters, are oil pump, double timing chain, LS6 intake manifold, ported Throttle body and ported MAF)
lift - exh - int
.100 53 66
.200 113 133
.300 165 197
.400 209 249
.500 251 296
.600 258 301
The exhaust side seems to really flow well (as does the intake side)... given this would I be better going more duration on the intake side?
I was originally planning on a TR224 cam... but now I'm thinking maybe the TR 227 reverse split may be better? What do you guys think?
(on top of heads and cam I'm doing hardened pushrods, new lifters, are oil pump, double timing chain, LS6 intake manifold, ported Throttle body and ported MAF)
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Re: Rethinking Cam choice... TR 227/224 or TR224? Head flow numbers within
Numbers do look nice.
I really think the TR-227/224 would be a little more powerful than the TR-224/224 if there aren't any P to V clearance issues. If the heads were only decked for clean up, I would think the 227 should be ok.
I really think the TR-227/224 would be a little more powerful than the TR-224/224 if there aren't any P to V clearance issues. If the heads were only decked for clean up, I would think the 227 should be ok.
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Re: Rethinking Cam choice... TR 227/224 or TR224? Head flow numbers within
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Hardtop:
<strong>I used a Comp XER with my TEA 4.8 heads. 224/112/581. Got it from Speed Inc. Runs strong, idles great, nice lope. Good combination.
Bruce</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bruce,
I have a very similar 224 XE-R on order with SRP!
What did your car dyno? I have TEA 5.3 heads
<strong>I used a Comp XER with my TEA 4.8 heads. 224/112/581. Got it from Speed Inc. Runs strong, idles great, nice lope. Good combination.
Bruce</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bruce,
I have a very similar 224 XE-R on order with SRP!
What did your car dyno? I have TEA 5.3 heads
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Re: Rethinking Cam choice... TR 227/224 or TR224? Head flow numbers within
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 99 Black Bird T/A:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Hardtop:
<strong>I used a Comp XER with my TEA 4.8 heads. 224/112/581. Got it from Speed Inc. Runs strong, idles great, nice lope. Good combination.
Bruce</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bruce,
I have a very similar 224 XE-R on order with SRP!
What did your car dyno? I have TEA 5.3 heads</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I dynoed 412.6 on a very conservative dyno.Others who have dynoed where I went, compared to the one we normaly use. have seen a 10-15 hp difference. Another reason I don't put too much stock in dyno numbers. I'm sure if I dynoed again it would be in the 42X hp range. ET's are what matter to me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Bruce
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Hardtop:
<strong>I used a Comp XER with my TEA 4.8 heads. 224/112/581. Got it from Speed Inc. Runs strong, idles great, nice lope. Good combination.
Bruce</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bruce,
I have a very similar 224 XE-R on order with SRP!
What did your car dyno? I have TEA 5.3 heads</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I dynoed 412.6 on a very conservative dyno.Others who have dynoed where I went, compared to the one we normaly use. have seen a 10-15 hp difference. Another reason I don't put too much stock in dyno numbers. I'm sure if I dynoed again it would be in the 42X hp range. ET's are what matter to me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Bruce
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Re: Rethinking Cam choice... TR 227/224 or TR224? Head flow numbers within
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by GrannySShifting:
<strong>i know somene that has a227/224 for sale email me</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey just got this.... email on its way
also TTT
Before I purchase I cam I'd like more opinions... w/these heads would I Make more power with more intake duration?
Sent PM, can't get your email addy
<small>[ November 13, 2002, 10:50 PM: Message edited by: horist ]</small>
<strong>i know somene that has a227/224 for sale email me</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey just got this.... email on its way
also TTT
Before I purchase I cam I'd like more opinions... w/these heads would I Make more power with more intake duration?
Sent PM, can't get your email addy
<small>[ November 13, 2002, 10:50 PM: Message edited by: horist ]</small>
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Re: Rethinking Cam choice... TR 227/224 or TR224? Head flow numbers within
Well you know I dyno'd 415rwhp with my current heads in my sig with the 232/226 XE-R cam.. This was untuned.. Right now I have the F4 cam from Futral Motorsports and once she is tuned I will post dyno #'s.. I am hoping to pick up more midrange horsepower secondary to going with the smaller cam..
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Re: Rethinking Cam choice... TR 227/224 or TR224? Head flow numbers within
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by horist:
Before I purchase I cam I'd like more opinions... w/these heads would I Make more power with more intake duration?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">FACTS
Here are the flow numbers with the LS1 and LS6 intake for my TEA Stage 2 5.3 heads very similar to the ones you have.
Lift LS1 LS6
.100 65.14 65.6
.200 133.1 133.5
.300 184.3 189.9
.400 217.1 227.75
.450 229.2 241.3
.500 236.3 250.2
.550 236.3 247.5
.600 235.7 245.18
As you can see the LS6 is better. But the numbers are real low when the intake manifold is on.
JMHO
Looks to me like the intake side needs all the help it can get! The reason of course is that restrictive LS6 intake. We have great heads TEA made better but we still need an intake that can keep up with the heads!
If you have the P to V clearance think about a Comp Cams XE-R 228/224 or 227/224 etc. The Comp Cams lobe will flow about 1-2 percent more than a Thunder lobe so you might gain a few hp over a similar TR cam. With the XE-R's high lift it might be too tight, if that's the case, I'd think about a Comp Cams 224/224 XE-R or TR-227/224
<small>[ November 13, 2002, 11:55 PM: Message edited by: 99 Black Bird T/A ]</small>
Before I purchase I cam I'd like more opinions... w/these heads would I Make more power with more intake duration?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">FACTS
Here are the flow numbers with the LS1 and LS6 intake for my TEA Stage 2 5.3 heads very similar to the ones you have.
Lift LS1 LS6
.100 65.14 65.6
.200 133.1 133.5
.300 184.3 189.9
.400 217.1 227.75
.450 229.2 241.3
.500 236.3 250.2
.550 236.3 247.5
.600 235.7 245.18
As you can see the LS6 is better. But the numbers are real low when the intake manifold is on.
JMHO
Looks to me like the intake side needs all the help it can get! The reason of course is that restrictive LS6 intake. We have great heads TEA made better but we still need an intake that can keep up with the heads!
If you have the P to V clearance think about a Comp Cams XE-R 228/224 or 227/224 etc. The Comp Cams lobe will flow about 1-2 percent more than a Thunder lobe so you might gain a few hp over a similar TR cam. With the XE-R's high lift it might be too tight, if that's the case, I'd think about a Comp Cams 224/224 XE-R or TR-227/224
<small>[ November 13, 2002, 11:55 PM: Message edited by: 99 Black Bird T/A ]</small>
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Re: Rethinking Cam choice... TR 227/224 or TR224? Head flow numbers within
P/V is the key in your case. I think you will make good #'s as long as you stick with the norm.. I like going outside the norm and I tried a much bigger cam, but I do not have to worry about P/V at this time.. I would suggest staying with 226 or below..