Discussion on Darton sleeves being used by Cartek and LPE.
11-13-2002, 05:16 PM
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Re: Discussion on Darton sleeves being used by Cartek and LPE. Cool, thanks Futlon 1. So I guess with a 4.125" bore you would deffinately have to go with larger diameter pistons huh?
11-13-2002, 07:43 PM
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Re: Discussion on Darton sleeves being used by Cartek and LPE. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> So I guess with a 4.125" bore you would deffinately have to go with larger diameter pistons huh?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, you'd need custom pistons.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, you'd need custom pistons.
11-14-2002, 06:41 AM
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Re: Discussion on Darton sleeves being used by Cartek and LPE. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JS:
<strong>All I'm saying is LPE and Cartek were one of the 1st to use these liners.Just becasue Cartek or LPE didnt show their HAND until now doesnt mean that they werent testing them LONG before most other shops did.
Its all good Joe,I know those TX guys are at the forefront of the LS1 community.
FWIW
Judson and PatrickG both have given me alot of helpul info.Good bunch of guys down there in TX.
I looked at these style blocks tonight.Carteks got a few of them in stock.They are BEAUTIFUL and IMO the only way to go.Anything else is junk compaired to this way of doing the liners....
Someday when I have Terrys money perhaps a 455 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Just kiddin Terry...
JS</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, to my knowledge, BeaSSt uses an ARE block. Just to make this clear, ARE was FIRST to make these sleeves work in a production environment. Others have had and still have issues with dropped sleeves and cracks.
Mikey
<strong>All I'm saying is LPE and Cartek were one of the 1st to use these liners.Just becasue Cartek or LPE didnt show their HAND until now doesnt mean that they werent testing them LONG before most other shops did.
Its all good Joe,I know those TX guys are at the forefront of the LS1 community.
FWIW
Judson and PatrickG both have given me alot of helpul info.Good bunch of guys down there in TX.
I looked at these style blocks tonight.Carteks got a few of them in stock.They are BEAUTIFUL and IMO the only way to go.Anything else is junk compaired to this way of doing the liners....
Someday when I have Terrys money perhaps a 455 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Just kiddin Terry...
JS</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, to my knowledge, BeaSSt uses an ARE block. Just to make this clear, ARE was FIRST to make these sleeves work in a production environment. Others have had and still have issues with dropped sleeves and cracks.
Mikey
11-14-2002, 07:48 AM
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Re: Discussion on Darton sleeves being used by Cartek and LPE. Mikey -
Does ARE use the Darton sleeves? I thought they were still using a straight sleeve in thier setup. If that's the case, the Darton sleeve is a night and day difference over a straight sleeve. We also built & tested several engines with a straight sleeve during the last year and a half, but we were uncomfortable with the methods required to get the sleeves to seal. The Darton sleeves have a double O-ring seal that does not leak coolant, and the thickness of the flange at the top ads a lot of strength to the deck.
Does ARE use the Darton sleeves? I thought they were still using a straight sleeve in thier setup. If that's the case, the Darton sleeve is a night and day difference over a straight sleeve. We also built & tested several engines with a straight sleeve during the last year and a half, but we were uncomfortable with the methods required to get the sleeves to seal. The Darton sleeves have a double O-ring seal that does not leak coolant, and the thickness of the flange at the top ads a lot of strength to the deck.
11-14-2002, 08:16 AM
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Re: Discussion on Darton sleeves being used by Cartek and LPE. I think Ed is right. ARE uses the straight sleeve that many other people have used and had issues with like cracking and dropping. These Darton sleeves definitely look like the ticket!!
11-14-2002, 08:22 AM
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Re: Discussion on Darton sleeves being used by Cartek and LPE. ARE has not used the straight sleeve for over a year. They were the first to test and be successful with the Darton Sleeve design. They have tweaked the design even more and they utilize a dry sleeve process.
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11-14-2002, 08:49 AM
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Re: Discussion on Darton sleeves being used by Cartek and LPE. Ed, we have been using Darton sleeves for two years, we have done extensive testing for the last year and a half, and have done R&D on several different designs from Darton.
Our current sleeve is used in our 1000hp+ world record setting Camaro & Corvette, our sleeves are a custom stepped design from Darton and no block fill is used when they are installed.....we feel there is no compromise in the structural strength of the block, we also fully stand by our blocks with warranty.
Our current sleeve is used in our 1000hp+ world record setting Camaro & Corvette, our sleeves are a custom stepped design from Darton and no block fill is used when they are installed.....we feel there is no compromise in the structural strength of the block, we also fully stand by our blocks with warranty.
11-14-2002, 10:17 AM
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Re: Discussion on Darton sleeves being used by Cartek and LPE. If I would of known you guys were using darton sleeves earlier, I would have had my block sent to you guys there at ARE. As of now though I have someone already in the process of doing it.
11-14-2002, 10:37 AM
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Re: Discussion on Darton sleeves being used by Cartek and LPE. Hi Barry -
Sounds like you went through the same problems we did to find something that works! I think we all agree that the Darton sleeve is the best thing available.
So, tell me about your LS1 powered '67, I'm thinking of selling the big block in my '68 Nova, and going the same route. Do you mainly use yours for drag racing?
Ed
Sounds like you went through the same problems we did to find something that works! I think we all agree that the Darton sleeve is the best thing available.
So, tell me about your LS1 powered '67, I'm thinking of selling the big block in my '68 Nova, and going the same route. Do you mainly use yours for drag racing?
Ed
11-14-2002, 04:13 PM
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Re: Discussion on Darton sleeves being used by Cartek and LPE. Hey Ed, I drive it on the street and race it, it`s one of our resleeved 422, pump gas,hydralic roller engines...(this block has two years on it so far) if you want to know more about the swap call me @ the shop..
(we can set you up!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> lol...) or check out the new issue of Popular Hot Rodding (Jan)
<small>[ November 14, 2002, 11:34 PM: Message edited by: MADSCI ]</small>
(we can set you up!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> lol...) or check out the new issue of Popular Hot Rodding (Jan)
<small>[ November 14, 2002, 11:34 PM: Message edited by: MADSCI ]</small>
11-14-2002, 06:29 PM
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Re: Discussion on Darton sleeves being used by Cartek and LPE. have any of you had any experiance with the cadillac 4.1-4.5-4.9 blocks? it used a removable sleeve that never gave any problems. of course they only made 200hp <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> you just couldnt keep intake gaskets on the dang things from depositing coolant in the oil <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> how much difference is there in resleeveing a iron block vs an aluminum one?
11-14-2002, 07:28 PM
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Re: Discussion on Darton sleeves being used by Cartek and LPE. Ed,
Thank you for answering my questions. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
I want to do All Bore/Big Bore at some point. maybe next year. So naturally I'm trying to learn about the different options etc.
Thank you for answering my questions. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
I want to do All Bore/Big Bore at some point. maybe next year. So naturally I'm trying to learn about the different options etc.
11-14-2002, 11:44 PM
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Re: Discussion on Darton sleeves being used by Cartek and LPE. Thunder Racing is also testing these sleeves from Darton. We will have these resleeved blocks in a few cars in the very near future.
11-15-2002, 07:24 AM
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Re: Discussion on Darton sleeves being used by Cartek and LPE. Hey Barry -
Sounds real cool! I might take you up on that offer! Are you thinking about going to the northern shootout?
Back to the sleeves, we can see by the agreement of the shops that this sleeve system is the only way to go. Hopefully we've all been able to answer everybodys questions.
Ed
Sounds real cool! I might take you up on that offer! Are you thinking about going to the northern shootout?
Back to the sleeves, we can see by the agreement of the shops that this sleeve system is the only way to go. Hopefully we've all been able to answer everybodys questions.
Ed
11-15-2002, 01:23 PM
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Re: Discussion on Darton sleeves being used by Cartek and LPE. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JS:
<strong>All I'm saying is LPE and Cartek were one of the 1st to use these liners.Just becasue Cartek or LPE didnt show their HAND until now doesnt mean that they werent testing them LONG before most other shops did.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">heheh ARE has been using these sleeves in production (Not test) motors for YEARS
Nice try there buddy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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<small>[ November 15, 2002, 01:31 PM: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</small>
<strong>All I'm saying is LPE and Cartek were one of the 1st to use these liners.Just becasue Cartek or LPE didnt show their HAND until now doesnt mean that they werent testing them LONG before most other shops did.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">heheh ARE has been using these sleeves in production (Not test) motors for YEARS
Nice try there buddy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Chris
<small>[ November 15, 2002, 01:31 PM: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</small>
11-15-2002, 01:39 PM
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Re: Discussion on Darton sleeves being used by Cartek and LPE. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Chris ARE 360:
<strong>[QUOTE]heheh ARE has been using these sleeves in production (Not test) motors for YEARS
Nice try there buddy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Chris</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Make that 4 Years. I think WARBIRD had the first Re-Sleeved LS1 Aluminum block back in late 1998 or early 1999. I remember it was cold up here!!
<strong>[QUOTE]heheh ARE has been using these sleeves in production (Not test) motors for YEARS
Nice try there buddy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Chris</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Make that 4 Years. I think WARBIRD had the first Re-Sleeved LS1 Aluminum block back in late 1998 or early 1999. I remember it was cold up here!!
11-15-2002, 03:23 PM
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Re: Discussion on Darton sleeves being used by Cartek and LPE. Do the ARE blocks look like the one that Cartek has pictured on their website? Double O-ringed, coolant passages in the liners...ect?