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Old 04-10-2007, 10:52 PM
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I love my torquer v2......it makes 300 rwt at 3000rpms Im pretty sure.....Ill have to check back again and let u know
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Originally Posted by LS1C5Vette
Ok, now I have changed my mind AGAIN, I like what I see about the 228R but I dont think ill be happy with that, I am leaning more toward the Tqr V.2 OR mabye even the 233/239 cam. Whick one of these will give me better 1/4 mile times and faster 30-150mph times??? Is the 233/239 even a streeetable cam? I know the V.2 is. P.S. this is NOT a DD car, but I dont want it to turn out like a dragster...
If you start heading in that direction try this one for size:
231/240, .643/.608 112+4 LSA
Will drive like a 228 and make power like a 236
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228/232 110lsa
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
If you start heading in that direction try this one for size:
231/240, .643/.608 112+4 LSA
Will drive like a 228 and make power like a 236
Would the stock lifters in the ls1 or ls6 be fine for that cam? I really like the specs, but I am curious how the lifters would handle it. Also would the Patriot Gold Duals be enough spring out of the box or would you need something else? Thanks

I am going to say that Predator knows his stuff so you may want to really consider his suggestions rather then trying to stick with an off the shelf cam by TSP. Just my 2 cents there.

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Originally Posted by 02SOMWS6
my little 224/228 581/588 110 lsa cam made 452rwhp with a set of ported 241 heads ,12 bolt with 4.30 gears and Denny's steel driveshaft. If I had a stock rear ,stock driveshaft and stock gears it would have been around 475
WTF @ those numbers?!?!

452 RWHP with a 224/228? and that gearing?!

a set of LS6 heads and a 233/239 cam wouldnt even net 440 RWHP based on the other thread I just made..
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Originally Posted by LSGunZ28
WTF @ those numbers?!?!

452 RWHP with a 224/228? and that gearing?!

a set of LS6 heads and a 233/239 cam wouldnt even net 440 RWHP based on the other thread I just made..
It depends on the dyno, remember they are not all calibrated equal. This could be uncorrected.

But a 224/228 can make those numbers, look up Tony Mamo's AFR 205 thread and he made close to 480rwhp. It is all in the details of the combo with countless hours of dialing, prepping and dynoing the setup.
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Originally Posted by okls1
Would the stock lifters in the ls1 or ls6 be fine for that cam? I really like the specs, but I am curious how the lifters would handle it. Also would the Patriot Gold Duals be enough spring out of the box or would you need something else? Thanks

I am going to say that Predator knows his stuff so you may want to really consider his suggestions rather then trying to stick with an off the shelf cam by TSP. Just my 2 cents there.
There are patriot dual Gold extreme nowadays but yeah the old Golds would handle it with stock lifters providing attention to detail and geometry is right on the ball. Now for how long is another story. See you can shim the old duals to handle the seat/open pressures of that LSK lobe.
Of course this cam would only fit in stock valved/gasket/unmilled setups, like a cam only.
Would it be adviseable to go with other lifters? Yes for reliability purpose.
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
If you start heading in that direction try this one for size:
231/240, .643/.608 112+4 LSA
Will drive like a 228 and make power like a 236
The duration sounds good but I want just a tad smaller on duration and espically lift, I think that maybe too much lift for me but keep em coming, you dont think the V.2 would be a good cam predator? I want whatever will be good racing from a dig, like 30mph to 150 mph and one that will give me a killer 1/4 mile time BUT at the same time will be nice on the street and sound kick *** at idle, prob too much to ask but im all ears. TSP cam do a custom grind correct?
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Originally Posted by LS1C5Vette
The duration sounds good but I want just a tad smaller on duration and espically lift, I think that maybe too much lift for me but keep em coming, you dont think the V.2 would be a good cam predator? I want whatever will be good racing from a dig, like 30mph to 150 mph and one that will give me a killer 1/4 mile time BUT at the same time will be nice on the street and sound kick *** at idle, prob too much to ask but im all ears. TSP cam do a custom grind correct?
Yes, Would you like that cam as lower lifts, no problem,
232/240 .595/.608 112+4 XE-R lobes.
Better than TV2 due to the exhaust split.

BTW that is a G5X2
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
Yes, Would you like that cam as lower lifts, no problem,
232/240 .595/.608 112+4 XE-R lobes.
Better than TV2 due to the exhaust split.

BTW that is a G5X2

so TSP can do a custom grind on this cam correct?
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Originally Posted by LS1C5Vette
so TSP can do a custom grind on this cam correct?
TSP doesnt do the grinding anyway, Comp does. But yeah you could order that through TSP.
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
Yes, Would you like that cam as lower lifts, no problem,
232/240 .595/.608 112+4 XE-R lobes.
Better than TV2 due to the exhaust split.

BTW that is a G5X2
Also this will give me a nice power band from 2500 up?? how much hp/tq will I see with this cam with the 2.5 5.3l heads?
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That is the graph from a 01 z06 with intake, exhaust, pulley, cam only with g5x2 on 114+4. This gives you an idea of how the cam will pull, granted that is an ls6 but with the 5.3 heads I would guess you may have more torque down low also with the cam ground on 112+4 your torque should be a little better. I do not know much about the 5.3 heads, but here is a link to the thread about his car if you want to read more.
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showt...highlight=g5x2

There are several posts about driving with that cam.

Read post #12 he explains how it drives, but again on the 112+4 and 5.3 heads your car would make a bit more down low and drive better I would have to assume.
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^ Thanks man, keep em coming I would like to hear more about what I should get!! I really like the specs that PREDATOR-Z gave me, its really close to TSP's 233/239 cam, if I got the 232/240 cam on a 112+2instead what would that do? More power down low? Its between the v.2, 233/239 or the one predator said to get..... Decisions Decisions Am I better off getiing the 232/240 cam with stg 1 ls6 heads or stay with 2.5 5.3l's??
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Well Predator will have to answer that one for sure because I am not sure. Both the 112+4 and 112+2 have 12* overlap. The +2 has earlier EVO but less DCR so im not sure which one is better although he did suggest the +4 in the first place... The +2 would make less power down low due to less DCR I would think and the ICL would be higher. I would think all 3 cams will be pretty similar maybe v2 making slightly more power down low then the g5x2? As for the heads with the g5x2 I would think the smaller runners of the 5.3 heads would not be good with a cam like that because you will lose power up top where stage 1 ls6 heads should give u pretty good results all around.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong on any of this.

On a side not u are an okie..... NICE!
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With that cam 232/240 you want Stage 1 243 LS2/LS6 heads. Valves in 5.3 are too big for cam to fit. 112+2 will work as well difference is less exhaust bias and can spin to neverland. shifts powerband 100 +/- rpm higher.
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
With that cam 232/240 you want Stage 1 243 LS2/LS6 heads. Valves in 5.3 are too big for cam to fit. 112+2 will work as well difference is less exhaust bias and can spin to neverland. shifts powerband 100 +/- rpm higher.
You are helping me out a lot on this man and I thank you for that, if I got the v.2 cam would I still ned the Ls6 heads or stay with 5.3's for that one?? so I should go with the 112+4 as your recomendation? I hope both these cams will be nice to me on the street!!
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Originally Posted by LS1C5Vette
You are helping me out a lot on this man and I thank you for that, if I got the v.2 cam would I still ned the Ls6 heads or stay with 5.3's for that one?? so I should go with the 112+4 as your recomendation? I hope both these cams will be nice to me on the street!!
If you get the TV2 with 5.3L stage 2.5s I would go with 112+4 yes, reason being you want to be more exhaust biased. This raises your DCR and increases midrange trq. This is with stock gasket of course and unmilled heads.
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Originally Posted by LS1C5Vette
^ Thanks man, keep em coming I would like to hear more about what I should get!! I really like the specs that PREDATOR-Z gave me, its really close to TSP's 233/239 cam, if I got the 232/240 cam on a 112+2instead what would that do? More power down low? Its between the v.2, 233/239 or the one predator said to get..... Decisions Decisions Am I better off getiing the 232/240 cam with stg 1 ls6 heads or stay with 2.5 5.3l's??
All a +2 compared to a +4 will do is shift you powerband into the higher RPM's. The +2 shifts all of the valve events to happen at a later time compared to piston position. Basicly you will be losing some low end in order to gain more upper end power.
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Ok then I think I will be doing the tv2 on a 112+4, It will have to be a custom grind tho, should I raise the lift or add more duration then that on that cam? the v2 is a 232/234, should I go 232/235 and bump the lift up more to .595/.601??


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