Help me with my final cam choice
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Help me with my final cam choice Here are the cams it is between
Thunder racing 220/220 .553/.553 114 lsa
MTI B1 221/221 .558/.558 114 lsa
speedtek 220/216 .579/.559 114 lsa
I'm not looking for a lot of lope that is the reason i didn't go for the 224/224 114lsa
I'll be using TEA stage II heads with dual springs 5.3L heads
I have no idea which one of these cams will produce the most power and am looking for the answer, which one will have a better idle and less lope?
Thunder racing 220/220 .553/.553 114 lsa
MTI B1 221/221 .558/.558 114 lsa
speedtek 220/216 .579/.559 114 lsa
I'm not looking for a lot of lope that is the reason i didn't go for the 224/224 114lsa
I'll be using TEA stage II heads with dual springs 5.3L heads
I have no idea which one of these cams will produce the most power and am looking for the answer, which one will have a better idle and less lope?
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Re: Help me with my final cam choice isn't that a split duration and from what i've read reverse split are better, i'm prob wrong i don't know much about cams.
Would a 224/224 114lsa be to rough for what i'm asking?
all suggestions are appreciated and will be used in my final selection.
Would a 224/224 114lsa be to rough for what i'm asking?
all suggestions are appreciated and will be used in my final selection.
Re: Help me with my final cam choice I'd go with the TR 220/220 114. At 850 rpm, it will be hard to detect the lope.
A cam that would give a good flat power curve and a nice idle would be a comp XE-R grind with a
222/222 115 with 2 or 4 degrees of advance ground in. 4* advance will bring the power peak down a couple hundred rpm compared with the 2*. The 2* will give you nicer power from a roll.
A cam that would give a good flat power curve and a nice idle would be a comp XE-R grind with a
222/222 115 with 2 or 4 degrees of advance ground in. 4* advance will bring the power peak down a couple hundred rpm compared with the 2*. The 2* will give you nicer power from a roll.
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Re: Help me with my final cam choice would that cam make better power than the 220 114???
This cam stuff is starting to confuse me....
Would it sound less lopy i noticed it would have a 115lsa and might have less lope...
I'm totally confused.
This cam stuff is starting to confuse me....
Would it sound less lopy i noticed it would have a 115lsa and might have less lope...
I'm totally confused.
Re: Help me with my final cam choice I just installed the TR 220 114 cam to replace my comp 216/216 and I'm very happy w/ it. There was a nice increase in power from mid range up and there seems to be no decrease in drivability from my old cam. My car idles much better than my buddy's car w/ the Lunati B1 in it.
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Re: Help me with my final cam choice I have the TR220/114 cam and it is very streetable. My only complaint is that I wish it sounded like there really was a cam in there <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: Help me with my final cam choice i think i'll go with the tr220, i want a stealthy cam as much as possible but don't want to go below this cam, i'd like to know how the tr224 sounds with an idle set high. Most people where i live don't hear to many ls1's i know of a handful that are close, and most people have no idea about cars, i could say i have headers and it makes it sound like that and get away to a certain degree with it
Re: Help me with my final cam choice You can't really go wrong with either one of them. The TR220 and the B1 have both proven to be the best power making, well-mannered cams out there.
FWIW, the 224/114 hardly lopes at all. I have heard a car with the 224/112 through a Flowmaster catback, and I did not even know he had a cam until he told me. Do a search on Jason99T/A's car, he posted some sounds of his cam idling with the 224/114. Barely loped at all.....
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FWIW, the 224/114 hardly lopes at all. I have heard a car with the 224/112 through a Flowmaster catback, and I did not even know he had a cam until he told me. Do a search on Jason99T/A's car, he posted some sounds of his cam idling with the 224/114. Barely loped at all.....
josh
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Re: Help me with my final cam choice </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 98_1LE:
<strong>I have the TR220/114 cam and it is very streetable. My only complaint is that I wish it sounded like there really was a cam in there <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Maybe my ears are sensitive, but I hear lope.
http://chuckb.1le.net/video/flp_nocats_hooker_tr220.wmv
It is not bad. I do expect that even with cats that you could hear it is not stock.
<strong>I have the TR220/114 cam and it is very streetable. My only complaint is that I wish it sounded like there really was a cam in there <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Maybe my ears are sensitive, but I hear lope.
http://chuckb.1le.net/video/flp_nocats_hooker_tr220.wmv
It is not bad. I do expect that even with cats that you could hear it is not stock.
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Re: Help me with my final cam choice Cam choices are now
TR 220/114
B1
TR 224/114
need more opinions, this is a very hard decision, im not wanting to much lope and i think the 224 might be to much for me
TR 220/114
B1
TR 224/114
need more opinions, this is a very hard decision, im not wanting to much lope and i think the 224 might be to much for me
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Re: Help me with my final cam choice Zeta, I agree you can definatly tell its got a cam in it. Honestly Jacs, I think with tunning you would be happy with the 224. Idle rpm has a lot to do with how much the cam lopes. Thats why the same cam in two different cars can sound so diferent. As long as you set your idle speed up around 850 to 900 it should idle pretty good. personaly, I want it to hit as hard as possible so I set the idle as low as I can without having it stall out. I had a 218 224 112 in my LT1 A4 that had the idle speed set at 600. Sounded mean as hell. Set it up to 850 and you barely could here it.
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Re: Help me with my final cam choice jacs, of the cams you listed the TR 220 will definitely give you the best idle. If you have LT's and a really good exhaust, the 220/216 cam would also work well.
In general, the less overlap you have, the better the car will idle. Wider LSA's (114 & up) will idle better, as will straight pattern or reverse-split cams. For example, a 220/220 cam will usually idle better than a 220/224 w/ the same lift. Advancing the cam will also result in a better idle. Most cams are ground at +4 advance for this reason, & for low RPM response.
If you really want a totally stock-sounding idle, got with a 115 or 116 LSA. One of our sponsors is having a cam sale this month, & you can order a custom grind for $399, cam only.
In general, the less overlap you have, the better the car will idle. Wider LSA's (114 & up) will idle better, as will straight pattern or reverse-split cams. For example, a 220/220 cam will usually idle better than a 220/224 w/ the same lift. Advancing the cam will also result in a better idle. Most cams are ground at +4 advance for this reason, & for low RPM response.
If you really want a totally stock-sounding idle, got with a 115 or 116 LSA. One of our sponsors is having a cam sale this month, & you can order a custom grind for $399, cam only.
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Re: Help me with my final cam choice Just picked up my car installed a tr 224 w 114lsa flp headers and a magnaflo idles at 825 has a little lope to it but the power is great car is a 00 TA a4 from a roll this car takes off like a bat out of hell im 100% satisfied <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />
Re: Help me with my final cam choice All this talk about about how a cam lopes. I have a 230/230 .575 .575 110lsa I would not recommend this cam if you dont want your car to sound like a prostock. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> Why not try a 220/220 .581/.581 112lsa +4 ground on some XE-R lobes? Would make great power and still be quiet.
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Re: Help me with my final cam choice Right now i'm leaning toward the 220/220,
i might go with the 224/224 114 with the info you have all gave me, it will come down to how i feel when i order, i believe witht the idle set up to about 850-900 i could handle the 224/224 114
Thanks for all the opinions,
As for my exhaust it will be hooker LT Hooker ORP and magnaflow catback.
I'm starting to lean more toward the 224 now
i might go with the 224/224 114 with the info you have all gave me, it will come down to how i feel when i order, i believe witht the idle set up to about 850-900 i could handle the 224/224 114
Thanks for all the opinions,
As for my exhaust it will be hooker LT Hooker ORP and magnaflow catback.
I'm starting to lean more toward the 224 now