Patriot heads gains? anybody?
09-30-2007, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TheLS1Kid
I'm running Patriot 59cc heads with a TSP 233/239 cam. No flycutting here but I know I'm cutting it close. I think 233/239 is about as big as you can go without flycutting.
what's your LSA and ICL?
09-30-2007, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by k-mart
I doubt it. By welding the chambers, Patriot allows you to use bigger cams than most other heads with same size chambers.
Originally Posted by Boodyrider
Thought they were no longer welding to get there?
09-30-2007, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by itslow
That's correct. Patriot is no longer welding the heads to achieve the desired chamber size. Milling the deck is now the route that is taken.
I guess they need to update their website then.
http://www.patriot-performance.com/w...05234&DID=1225
10-01-2007, 07:52 AM
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I put on a set of patriot 243 ls6 heads stage1 cnc 64cc with a 224-228 114+4 588 lift cam with .051 fel pro gaskets and patriot dual spring setup 7.400 pushrods. Before heads cam tune the car went 12.31@109 1.67 60ft After heads cam tune car now goes 12.01@113 1.73 60ft... Maybe 40 hp gain ???? car dyoed 325 333 before heads and cam with bolt ons. This was with 98 heads.
10-01-2007, 08:50 AM
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ok bad deal...
....a set came up for sale locally...here's the caption from the site:
Patriot 59cc Stage 2 LS6 Heads w/New Manley Valves 2.02/1.57
The chambers were welded by Patriot to 59cc so you retain stock deck height minus the .004 for clean-up.
Heads were just reworked Guides, Valves, and Seals have less than 45 miles on them. They were decked .004 to clean up. Competition valve job
Patriot Gold springs good to .650 lift. All springs checked out good.
---$800 PLUS SHIPPING
are you SURE these won't work with my cam? what if i bought them anyway? what cam WOULD work?
....a set came up for sale locally...here's the caption from the site:Patriot 59cc Stage 2 LS6 Heads w/New Manley Valves 2.02/1.57
The chambers were welded by Patriot to 59cc so you retain stock deck height minus the .004 for clean-up.
Heads were just reworked Guides, Valves, and Seals have less than 45 miles on them. They were decked .004 to clean up. Competition valve job
Patriot Gold springs good to .650 lift. All springs checked out good.
---$800 PLUS SHIPPING
are you SURE these won't work with my cam? what if i bought them anyway? what cam WOULD work?
YES these will fit your cam.
10-01-2007, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
These are older 6.0 casting with welded chambers. Patriot no longer produces these. These are LS6 "style" heads but not 243 LS6/LS2 castings.
YES these will fit your cam.
YES these will fit your cam.
that is what i was wanting to hear. i have the old 6.0 castings, and after talking with both Gunnar and guys from TSP (who said a TSP 231/237 cam would fit w/out flycutting), its nice to hear the same words from you as well. looks like im good to go with my cam swap from my 224 .581 @112lsa to the 231/237 over the winter...
10-01-2007, 11:34 AM
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you guys are being very helpful and i really do appreciate the info from all this and what i've learned branching off from here...
...but now i'm having 2nd thoughts....nothing against Patriot (i may still buy 'em), but i'm getting a little more greedy in my quest for power. i can't really decide what i want since i drive the car a lot, but it's not really a true DD. i'm gonna take it to the track, but "just to see"....most of the action will be on the street i'm sure. Patrick G's 500rwhp recipe is very enticing as is his "torque" cam he spec'd out with different heads....i'm not sure what to do...
BUT i'd still like to hear from satisfied/dissatisfied Patriot customers and whatnot...
thanks again guys
...but now i'm having 2nd thoughts....nothing against Patriot (i may still buy 'em), but i'm getting a little more greedy in my quest for power. i can't really decide what i want since i drive the car a lot, but it's not really a true DD. i'm gonna take it to the track, but "just to see"....most of the action will be on the street i'm sure. Patrick G's 500rwhp recipe is very enticing as is his "torque" cam he spec'd out with different heads....i'm not sure what to do...
BUT i'd still like to hear from satisfied/dissatisfied Patriot customers and whatnot...
thanks again guys
10-01-2007, 12:09 PM
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this is the thread i've bin looking for, i got the patrit stageII ls6's 59cc, and the 226/226 cam, and want bigger cam,
the ls1kid what kinda dynonumbers is this cam getting?
the ls1kid what kinda dynonumbers is this cam getting?
10-01-2007, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Thule
this is the thread i've bin looking for, i got the patrit stageII ls6's 59cc, and the 226/226 cam, and want bigger cam,
the ls1kid what kinda dynonumbers is this cam getting?
the ls1kid what kinda dynonumbers is this cam getting?
What kinda numbers did you put down?
10-01-2007, 04:52 PM
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i'm waiting for tune.. i'm hoping for 420-430ish, got allt bolt ons full exhaust fast 90 nw 90 and more..
ls1kid, pleaze contackt me when you get your numbers.. im curius abvout that cam
ls1kid, pleaze contackt me when you get your numbers.. im curius abvout that cam
10-05-2007, 03:38 AM
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damn dude!! you give me hope, sam heads as mine, but smaller cam and 444rwhp? thats just awesome.. what injectors are you running?
damn dude!! you give me hope, sam heads as mine, but smaller cam and 444rwhp? thats just awesome.. what injectors are you running?
10-05-2007, 08:39 AM
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here's the dyno run...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhl_z0pWg6Q
here's the dyno sheet...
10-05-2007, 11:38 AM
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I have a 346CI bottom end with Mahle 1cc, forged rods, LS6 intake, 85 mm throttle body (OEM), 85MM MAF, equal length long tube headers 1 5/8" (soon to be stepped to 1 3/4") 595/605 232/238 111 LSA, Patriot LS6 "style" heads 64CC welded and I made 424 RWHP.
I think an even bigger cam, FAST 90/90, larger injectors, better ported TB and roller rockers will get me easily over 460 RWHP.
Best 1/4 mile: 11.44 @ 129 MPH (yeah...it takes a while to hook up on
street tires!)
60 ft time: 1.85 (suck ***)
I think an even bigger cam, FAST 90/90, larger injectors, better ported TB and roller rockers will get me easily over 460 RWHP.
Best 1/4 mile: 11.44 @ 129 MPH (yeah...it takes a while to hook up on
street tires!)
60 ft time: 1.85 (suck ***)
10-05-2007, 02:30 PM
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I have a 346CI bottom end with Mahle 1cc, forged rods, LS6 intake, 85 mm throttle body (OEM), 85MM MAF, equal length long tube headers 1 5/8" (soon to be stepped to 1 3/4") 595/605 232/238 111 LSA, Patriot LS6 "style" heads 64CC welded and I made 424 RWHP.
I think an even bigger cam, FAST 90/90, larger injectors, better ported TB and roller rockers will get me easily over 460 RWHP.
Best 1/4 mile: 11.44 @ 129 MPH (yeah...it takes a while to hook up on
street tires!)
60 ft time: 1.85 (suck ***)
I think an even bigger cam, FAST 90/90, larger injectors, better ported TB and roller rockers will get me easily over 460 RWHP.
Best 1/4 mile: 11.44 @ 129 MPH (yeah...it takes a while to hook up on
street tires!)
60 ft time: 1.85 (suck ***)
yeah there's more power in there. my FAST got me 24 rwhp after i "ported" it....stock everything else minus cam and bolt-ons and 9".
the higher-ups keep changing our work schedule for my field service next week, so i have no clue how much $$$ i'll be making. i'm starting to lean towards AFR 205's or ET 215's if i have the extra cash, but we'll see what happens.
STILL, i'd like to see what everyone is getting out of there Patriot's as i may end up with a set...
thanks again guys for all the info...