Worst Heads
10-19-2007, 02:28 AM
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There is a head sticky. The 853's and 241's flow the same. The 243's are better. It really doesnt matter after they are ported anyway. There is nothing wrong with a set of ported 241 or 853 heads done correctly. There are a lot of good ported LS1 castings being used on many cars that make great power.
10-19-2007, 12:26 PM
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If you can post it or just send me a pm or just say what it made at 5500 RPMS. VERY CURIOUS
10-19-2007, 05:05 PM
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Your Trick Flows had some material chipped away in between the valves. So they advised not to run the heads and put you into a set of Pecos ported LS6 heads. Unfortunately you nor the shop know much about different styles of cylinder head porting and the port job on that head is not meant to be run with your setup. So in the end you have these heads on the car, the car doesnt make the power you nor the shop expected so they are pulling them back off and putting the Trick Flows on as they were given the ok to install them. If the setup is flattening out at 5500 theres no reason to risk any kind of damage on a fresh setup so they cut the pull at 5500 and parked the car til they get the TFS heads on the car. They arent happy with the car as a shop so you wont be getting the car in any hurry until its all squared away. Thats customer service from good people that do great things.
My suggestion to you since you obviously have ran your mouth off without telling the complete story would be to delete the thread completely like it never happened and have a little patience and understanding.
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10-19-2007, 05:24 PM
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Tell the whole story so people know what the reasoning behind the switch was.
Your Trick Flows had some material chipped away in between the valves. So they advised not to run the heads and put you into a set of Pecos ported LS6 heads. Unfortunately you nor the shop know much about different styles of cylinder head porting and the port job on that head is not meant to be run with your setup. So in the end you have these heads on the car, the car doesnt make the power you nor the shop expected so they are pulling them back off and putting the Trick Flows on as they were given the ok to install them. If the setup is flattening out at 5500 theres no reason to risk any kind of damage on a fresh setup so they cut the pull at 5500 and parked the car til they get the TFS heads on the car. They arent happy with the car as a shop so you wont be getting the car in any hurry until its all squared away. Thats customer service from good people that do great things.
My suggestion to you since you obviously have ran your mouth off without telling the complete story would be to delete the thread completely like it never happened and have a little patience and understanding.
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Your Trick Flows had some material chipped away in between the valves. So they advised not to run the heads and put you into a set of Pecos ported LS6 heads. Unfortunately you nor the shop know much about different styles of cylinder head porting and the port job on that head is not meant to be run with your setup. So in the end you have these heads on the car, the car doesnt make the power you nor the shop expected so they are pulling them back off and putting the Trick Flows on as they were given the ok to install them. If the setup is flattening out at 5500 theres no reason to risk any kind of damage on a fresh setup so they cut the pull at 5500 and parked the car til they get the TFS heads on the car. They arent happy with the car as a shop so you wont be getting the car in any hurry until its all squared away. Thats customer service from good people that do great things.
My suggestion to you since you obviously have ran your mouth off without telling the complete story would be to delete the thread completely like it never happened and have a little patience and understanding.
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Sorry but where in this thread do I mention anything about a shop or my car for that matter. I think you have to much time on your hands. Either way if it is my car or it is not my car.
The point to this thread was are 243 heads that bad of a HEAD? Where you percieved I was talking bad about a shop or anyone is your imagination running wild. I would suggest that you mind your own buisness & stop worring about other people's buisness.
I will not delete the thread & I would like to get back to the subject at hand.
Also just to note. I spoke to the person that designed the Vinticator cam & his graph shows 371 RWHP at 5500 RPMS I CAN POST A GRAPH IF YOU LIKE. I think the first set of heads would have been fine. I have never heard of a Port Job making or breaking a combo to my knowledge. Instead the shop is getting paid to swap over the heads that should have been put on the car in the first place. I commend the shop for looking out for my best interest. But in the end the customer is out the money for the head swap. I just want the car to perform to its maxium potential & call it a day & a expensive lesson learned.
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10-19-2007, 05:37 PM
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chinese ones?
you cant go any worse than paying a fair bit of coin on aftermarket untouched heads
that will make the car not run faster at the track than factory equipped jobs.
in a nutshell i trust gm products they have some mouthwatering castings
regardless all of them worthy even the 5.3 with 1.89 inlets if one
is willing to exploit air speed ve.
you cant go any worse than paying a fair bit of coin on aftermarket untouched heads
that will make the car not run faster at the track than factory equipped jobs.
in a nutshell i trust gm products they have some mouthwatering castings
regardless all of them worthy even the 5.3 with 1.89 inlets if one
is willing to exploit air speed ve.
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10-19-2007, 11:54 PM
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A well done up set of LS6 castings will OUTPERFORM the TFS stuff out of the box. Unfortunately the guy you contacted about doing them for you was willing to prove it, and you weasled out by listening to the internet. Now look where you are at. You could have been done a few weeks earlier and with less money out of pocket. Thats exactly what you get for being the dumbass we all know you are.
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10-20-2007, 09:18 AM
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Thats because you my friend are the internet reader who likes to take other peoples opinions that dont build any kind of motor or much less have an engine program going there way. You have the SLIGHTEST ******* clue of what it takes to make a car run what it should.
A well done up set of LS6 castings will OUTPERFORM the TFS stuff out of the box. Unfortunately the guy you contacted about doing them for you was willing to prove it, and you weasled out by listening to the internet. Now look where you are at. You could have been done a few weeks earlier and with less money out of pocket. Thats exactly what you get for being the dumbass we all know you are.
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Had your body rocked lately in any fights?
A well done up set of LS6 castings will OUTPERFORM the TFS stuff out of the box. Unfortunately the guy you contacted about doing them for you was willing to prove it, and you weasled out by listening to the internet. Now look where you are at. You could have been done a few weeks earlier and with less money out of pocket. Thats exactly what you get for being the dumbass we all know you are.
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Had your body rocked lately in any fights?
Point blank the setup is a proven setup.
TFS 215 Heads
Vinticator Cam
FAST90/90
All supporting mods will net me as good if not better then LS6 Heads. The 1/4 mile times of plenty of fellow LS1 brothers who have that combo speak for themselfs. I am sure my Internet *** can find plenty of times from my combo proven by other LS1 Brothers. GO BLOW SMOKE UP SOMEONE ELSE'S ***
Also difference between you & I, Im not afraid to speak my mind to your face. BODY ROCKED, See that is one thing you don't know about me. I enjoy a good punch & giving one back. I WOULD DO IT AGAIN.
SEB ain't afraid to take a asswhoopin or give one. You sir are the one hiding behind the internet. If you know me so well. You might curve your mouth. Cause don't think I won't blast off upside your head & swell your ******* mouth SHUT. I KNOW WHO YOU ARE
Your right I AM STUPID!
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10-20-2007, 11:51 AM
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SEB,
let me get this straight, you had a set of 243's originally ported by LME and then they "went through another porter" so now they look "hogged out".
Then you get it dyno'd with no tune and turn only 5500RPM?
Who was this "other porter"? 243 heads are capable of serious power, there is a shop here in Houston that made about 780hp to the wheels with a 427 and ported 243's. If the heads were ported properly, and not just "hogged" out by some idiot with a grinder, then the problem is not in the heads. Get it tuned, turn the RPM the cam was designed for, then come back if you have any problems.
Just so you know, yes a tune can make a difference and a big **** YES, heads can make or break a combo.
let me get this straight, you had a set of 243's originally ported by LME and then they "went through another porter" so now they look "hogged out".
Then you get it dyno'd with no tune and turn only 5500RPM?
Who was this "other porter"? 243 heads are capable of serious power, there is a shop here in Houston that made about 780hp to the wheels with a 427 and ported 243's. If the heads were ported properly, and not just "hogged" out by some idiot with a grinder, then the problem is not in the heads. Get it tuned, turn the RPM the cam was designed for, then come back if you have any problems.
Just so you know, yes a tune can make a difference and a big **** YES, heads can make or break a combo.
10-20-2007, 12:59 PM
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1) A4 cars are not dyno heros
2) with heads, as with cams, bigger is not necessarily better. Describing them as "hogged out" doesn't sound like a good case for a well ported head.
3) big heads and big cams don't come into their own until they near the peak. The cam you're using will probably turn a well setup 346ci engine to 7200+ rpm, so an A4 number on a cam that does not peak with the rpm range the intake does means very little.
4) TUNE!
2) with heads, as with cams, bigger is not necessarily better. Describing them as "hogged out" doesn't sound like a good case for a well ported head.
3) big heads and big cams don't come into their own until they near the peak. The cam you're using will probably turn a well setup 346ci engine to 7200+ rpm, so an A4 number on a cam that does not peak with the rpm range the intake does means very little.
4) TUNE!
10-21-2007, 10:29 AM
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Last I checked from my learning. I HAD PORTED 243's on my car. I BELIEVE THOSE ARE LS6 HEADS. For someone that knows so much about me. Maybe you can explain why the QUOTE un QUOTE Did the GOOD SET of PORTED LS6 Heads not work on my car. I WANT TO HEAR THIS MR KNOW IT ALL.
Point blank the setup is a proven setup.
TFS 215 Heads
Vinticator Cam
FAST90/90
All supporting mods will net me as good if not better then LS6 Heads. The 1/4 mile times of plenty of fellow LS1 brothers who have that combo speak for themselfs. I am sure my Internet *** can find plenty of times from my combo proven by other LS1 Brothers. GO BLOW SMOKE UP SOMEONE ELSE'S ***
Also difference between you & I, Im not afraid to speak my mind to your face. BODY ROCKED, See that is one thing you don't know about me. I enjoy a good punch & giving one back. I WOULD DO IT AGAIN.
SEB ain't afraid to take a asswhoopin or give one. You sir are the one hiding behind the internet. If you know me so well. You might curve your mouth. Cause don't think I won't blast off upside your head & swell your ******* mouth SHUT. I KNOW WHO YOU ARE
Your right I AM STUPID!
Point blank the setup is a proven setup.
TFS 215 Heads
Vinticator Cam
FAST90/90
All supporting mods will net me as good if not better then LS6 Heads. The 1/4 mile times of plenty of fellow LS1 brothers who have that combo speak for themselfs. I am sure my Internet *** can find plenty of times from my combo proven by other LS1 Brothers. GO BLOW SMOKE UP SOMEONE ELSE'S ***
Also difference between you & I, Im not afraid to speak my mind to your face. BODY ROCKED, See that is one thing you don't know about me. I enjoy a good punch & giving one back. I WOULD DO IT AGAIN.
SEB ain't afraid to take a asswhoopin or give one. You sir are the one hiding behind the internet. If you know me so well. You might curve your mouth. Cause don't think I won't blast off upside your head & swell your ******* mouth SHUT. I KNOW WHO YOU ARE
Your right I AM STUPID!
I have yet to see anything respectable to me with any TFS setups besides some inflated dyno numbers and less then stellar track times. Prove em, chicken legs!
Do this
10-21-2007, 10:35 AM
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SEB,
let me get this straight, you had a set of 243's originally ported by LME and then they "went through another porter" so now they look "hogged out".
Then you get it dyno'd with no tune and turn only 5500RPM?
Who was this "other porter"? 243 heads are capable of serious power, there is a shop here in Houston that made about 780hp to the wheels with a 427 and ported 243's. If the heads were ported properly, and not just "hogged" out by some idiot with a grinder, then the problem is not in the heads. Get it tuned, turn the RPM the cam was designed for, then come back if you have any problems.
Just so you know, yes a tune can make a difference and a big **** YES, heads can make or break a combo.
let me get this straight, you had a set of 243's originally ported by LME and then they "went through another porter" so now they look "hogged out".
Then you get it dyno'd with no tune and turn only 5500RPM?
Who was this "other porter"? 243 heads are capable of serious power, there is a shop here in Houston that made about 780hp to the wheels with a 427 and ported 243's. If the heads were ported properly, and not just "hogged" out by some idiot with a grinder, then the problem is not in the heads. Get it tuned, turn the RPM the cam was designed for, then come back if you have any problems.
Just so you know, yes a tune can make a difference and a big **** YES, heads can make or break a combo.
