19 RWHP from AFR 205 59cc?? Are you kidding me?
01-24-2008, 08:33 AM
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I will chime in here, Sean @ LG is a very experienced,knowledgable tuner IMO.
Like you, i am running a G5X3,SVO30's,full bolt on's,LS6 heads, and a 3600 stall through a slipping A4 and my car dynoed 403/405 @ LGM..(Fbod)..
All kinds of potential with this particular cam, and yes, this cam loves the AFR's...
Consider all of the variables friend, be patient and you'll figure it out.
Good luck. Nice car! and like the other guy stated, i'll give you my stock 243's +$1K for your AFR's.. only because i am a good guy!
Keep us updated.
Like you, i am running a G5X3,SVO30's,full bolt on's,LS6 heads, and a 3600 stall through a slipping A4 and my car dynoed 403/405 @ LGM..(Fbod)..
All kinds of potential with this particular cam, and yes, this cam loves the AFR's...
Consider all of the variables friend, be patient and you'll figure it out.
Good luck. Nice car! and like the other guy stated, i'll give you my stock 243's +$1K for your AFR's.. only because i am a good guy!
Keep us updated.
01-24-2008, 09:58 AM
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Yeh Im going to take it to the track when it opens back up. The car feels good and pulls like a ****....a lot more than before. Instead of feeling the power come in at 3k like it was with the cam only, it is a constant pull throughout the rpm range. I will try to scan my graph and post it up.
Remember, I dont have the LG Pros, I have their street series headers which dont add as much power and it is also a coupe, not a ZO6. I think that is about the norm for a cam only job.
Remember, I dont have the LG Pros, I have their street series headers which dont add as much power and it is also a coupe, not a ZO6. I think that is about the norm for a cam only job.
01-24-2008, 09:59 AM
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I will chime in here, Sean @ LG is a very experienced,knowledgable tuner IMO.
Like you, i am running a G5X3,SVO30's,full bolt on's,LS6 heads, and a 3600 stall through a slipping A4 and my car dynoed 403/405 @ LGM..(Fbod)..
All kinds of potential with this particular cam, and yes, this cam loves the AFR's...
Consider all of the variables friend, be patient and you'll figure it out.
Good luck. Nice car! and like the other guy stated, i'll give you my stock 243's +$1K for your AFR's.. only because i am a good guy!
Keep us updated.
Like you, i am running a G5X3,SVO30's,full bolt on's,LS6 heads, and a 3600 stall through a slipping A4 and my car dynoed 403/405 @ LGM..(Fbod)..
All kinds of potential with this particular cam, and yes, this cam loves the AFR's...
Consider all of the variables friend, be patient and you'll figure it out.
Good luck. Nice car! and like the other guy stated, i'll give you my stock 243's +$1K for your AFR's.. only because i am a good guy!
Keep us updated.
I may just do that
01-24-2008, 11:14 AM
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That would have been good information to have when we spoke on the phone....LOL
First off the A/F ratio is slightly too rich for big numbers (from what I saw on the scanned sheet you provided), and I would also like to know what the timing was set at....was there any knock retard pulling any timing during the run (you should always log and keep an eye on the KR events).
Plus if the car sat for a little bit before the N/A run (the time it takes to strap it down and get things ready), your driveline would have been cold reducing power to the ground (thats a fact btw).
Alot more going on here than meets the eye....and thats why the car feels alot stronger although spending some additional time on the tune would probably unlock even more.
Keep us posted...
Tony
01-24-2008, 11:43 AM
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Could be one of those things. I saw the graph and it looked like you got some nice mid range power gains and picked up a little bit of rpm up top. In reality it looks like the heads worked great.
Yep, you read right.....I only got 19 rwhp and even less rwtq out of a swap from stock 241 heads to 59 cc AFR 205's. I did use stock GM MLS gaskets but It shouldnt cause that much of a loss. I did speak with Tony Mamo who was very helpful and said either the tuner didnt tune it worth a f*ck or the weather station was messing the dyno numbers up. I think I just wanted to vent but am open to what others think as well.
01-24-2008, 05:25 PM
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You did ONE pull on the dyno?
That would have been good information to have when we spoke on the phone....LOL
First off the A/F ratio is slightly too rich for big numbers (from what I saw on the scanned sheet you provided), and I would also like to know what the timing was set at....was there any knock retard pulling any timing during the run (you should always log and keep an eye on the KR events).
Plus if the car sat for a little bit before the N/A run (the time it takes to strap it down and get things ready), your driveline would have been cold reducing power to the ground (thats a fact btw).
Alot more going on here than meets the eye....and thats why the car feels alot stronger although spending some additional time on the tune would probably unlock even more.
Keep us posted...
Tony
That would have been good information to have when we spoke on the phone....LOL
First off the A/F ratio is slightly too rich for big numbers (from what I saw on the scanned sheet you provided), and I would also like to know what the timing was set at....was there any knock retard pulling any timing during the run (you should always log and keep an eye on the KR events).
Plus if the car sat for a little bit before the N/A run (the time it takes to strap it down and get things ready), your driveline would have been cold reducing power to the ground (thats a fact btw).
Alot more going on here than meets the eye....and thats why the car feels alot stronger although spending some additional time on the tune would probably unlock even more.
Keep us posted...
Tony
If I knew more about tuning I could tell you what the timing was set at and the KR and such. I know It will be best if I ask LG about logging the data but does anyonw know if they usually save the data where I could just contact them and ask?
Yes it did sit a little while during the injector swap and strap down.....maybe an hour??
01-24-2008, 10:38 PM
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Thats crazy....
I do want eveyone to know that I am not blaming the AFR product. I know it has to be a tuning or off dyno situation.
I do want eveyone to know that I am not blaming the AFR product. I know it has to be a tuning or off dyno situation.
01-25-2008, 09:49 AM
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I keep reading these replys and its fiarly obvious. 2 things are happening here.
1. the intake is used up in this particular tunning range
2. AFR heads while good are not really that much better then stock heads with the intake bolted on.
3. Valve train setup would be a concern if the car had a screwy looking power band.
Folks move along here. 25hp to the tire is like 50 at the flywheel. That would be the best pickup I have seen ever.
AFR makes a good product. Between the cam timming and the intake manifold and I am sure a totally stuffy exhuast this is to be expected.
My advice is to stick with the dyno you did your last pulls on make some exhuast changes and tell yhe interexperts here to STFU. There is nothing wrong with your heads. AFR make a good set of heads. I may not like there product and I do not endorse it I do not find fualt with AFR.
1. the intake is used up in this particular tunning range
2. AFR heads while good are not really that much better then stock heads with the intake bolted on.
3. Valve train setup would be a concern if the car had a screwy looking power band.
Folks move along here. 25hp to the tire is like 50 at the flywheel. That would be the best pickup I have seen ever.
AFR makes a good product. Between the cam timming and the intake manifold and I am sure a totally stuffy exhuast this is to be expected.
My advice is to stick with the dyno you did your last pulls on make some exhuast changes and tell yhe interexperts here to STFU. There is nothing wrong with your heads. AFR make a good set of heads. I may not like there product and I do not endorse it I do not find fualt with AFR.
01-25-2008, 05:45 PM
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I keep reading these replys and its fiarly obvious. 2 things are happening here.
1. the intake is used up in this particular tunning range
2. AFR heads while good are not really that much better then stock heads with the intake bolted on.
3. Valve train setup would be a concern if the car had a screwy looking power band.
Folks move along here. 25hp to the tire is like 50 at the flywheel. That would be the best pickup I have seen ever.
AFR makes a good product. Between the cam timming and the intake manifold and I am sure a totally stuffy exhuast this is to be expected.
My advice is to stick with the dyno you did your last pulls on make some exhuast changes and tell yhe interexperts here to STFU. There is nothing wrong with your heads. AFR make a good set of heads. I may not like there product and I do not endorse it I do not find fualt with AFR.
1. the intake is used up in this particular tunning range
2. AFR heads while good are not really that much better then stock heads with the intake bolted on.
3. Valve train setup would be a concern if the car had a screwy looking power band.
Folks move along here. 25hp to the tire is like 50 at the flywheel. That would be the best pickup I have seen ever.
AFR makes a good product. Between the cam timming and the intake manifold and I am sure a totally stuffy exhuast this is to be expected.
My advice is to stick with the dyno you did your last pulls on make some exhuast changes and tell yhe interexperts here to STFU. There is nothing wrong with your heads. AFR make a good set of heads. I may not like there product and I do not endorse it I do not find fualt with AFR.
01-25-2008, 07:44 PM
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AFR's not much better than stockers?
Sure, port some 853's,241's or even 243's... MUCH better than the AFR's,
02black beauty.. WTF were you thinking!
AFR's not much better than stockers?
Sure, port some 853's,241's or even 243's... MUCH better than the AFR's,
02black beauty.. WTF were you thinking!
I keep reading these replys and its fiarly obvious. 2 things are happening here.
1. the intake is used up in this particular tunning range
2. AFR heads while good are not really that much better then stock heads with the intake bolted on.
3. Valve train setup would be a concern if the car had a screwy looking power band.
Folks move along here. 25hp to the tire is like 50 at the flywheel. That would be the best pickup I have seen ever.
AFR makes a good product. Between the cam timming and the intake manifold and I am sure a totally stuffy exhuast this is to be expected.
My advice is to stick with the dyno you did your last pulls on make some exhuast changes and tell yhe interexperts here to STFU. There is nothing wrong with your heads. AFR make a good set of heads. I may not like there product and I do not endorse it I do not find fualt with AFR.
1. the intake is used up in this particular tunning range
2. AFR heads while good are not really that much better then stock heads with the intake bolted on.
3. Valve train setup would be a concern if the car had a screwy looking power band.
Folks move along here. 25hp to the tire is like 50 at the flywheel. That would be the best pickup I have seen ever.
AFR makes a good product. Between the cam timming and the intake manifold and I am sure a totally stuffy exhuast this is to be expected.
My advice is to stick with the dyno you did your last pulls on make some exhuast changes and tell yhe interexperts here to STFU. There is nothing wrong with your heads. AFR make a good set of heads. I may not like there product and I do not endorse it I do not find fualt with AFR.
01-26-2008, 08:20 AM
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I sure wish someone would have told me my 241 heads were better than AFR's before I bought them......
haha that's gotta be one of the most redivilous things I have ever read. Pewter, I dont know what the hell I was thinking....
haha that's gotta be one of the most redivilous things I have ever read. Pewter, I dont know what the hell I was thinking....