Im almost finished building my car. Its basicly a track car but once and awhile I will take it out on the weekends. I have an MS3 in there right now but am looking to swap it out with an MS4 or Vindicator. Both cams put down great numbers but dont know which one better suits me. Below are the supporting mods. What do you guys think? Or should I go custom grind?

Completely forged bottom-end with TSP 5.3L stage 2.5 heads. Roll master double roller, kooks 1(7/8) w/ ory, Fast 90/90, 36lbs injectors.

Fully built 4L60E with TCI deep pan and a Yank SS4000 conveter

Moser 9" rearend with detroit tru-trac and 4:30 gears. Full Mad-Man suspention with BMR crossmember.

TNT F2 to come later on

 

hit up patrick g or predator!!

 

i like this one better its a 238/242 .621/610 111+3

 

Both the MS4 and Vindicator use very similar valve events. The MS4 uses more aggressive LSK lobes on intake and fast XE-R lobes on the exhaust. The Vindicator uses XE-R lobes on intake and XE high lift lobes on the exhaust. 3rd party testing has shown that the Vindicator is a little more rpm friendly because it is more forgiving of the springs you choose. Both make excellent power as both have very good valve events.

 

Ron@Vengence will probably tell you that you'll make 10-15more hp/tq under the curve compared to a MS4

 

Your setup is going to scream. Keep us posted.

 

just curious what do you put down right now with you set up?

 

How about a comp cams XFI286R113?

It's a 251/256 .660/.655 on a 113.

 

listen to mgcook.... man, jump on the hate wagon all at once...

 

I like my MS4, I plan on reusing it on my forged 347. Tsp told me with my combo that ill be close to 500rwhp on motor and the right tune. But the design is there to make the power after that its in the tuners hands but it will make it a little easier with that cam IMHO.

 

Ima jump on the hate train and order a vindicator. I can wait to see this **** runn

 

Vindicator- 240*-244*-.608”-.596” - 112* LSA +4* ICL
3730 = 289*-240*-161*-.358”-.609”
3655 = 297*-244*-160*-.351"-.597"

MS4 - 239*-242*-111* LSA
2130 = 289*-239*-164*-.384”-.649”
3731 = 291*-242*-163*-.359”-.610”

how would they fare against the HPE mega death ?
Mega Death Cam- 244*-242*-112* LSA
3732 = 293*-244*-165*-.360”-.612”
3731 = 291*-242*-163*-.359”-.610”

 

i agree with your choice cant wait to see results

 

hell yea can't wait to see some #'s and 12Xmph traps....
Wonder where you'd shift the Vindicator @? 6800-7200?

 

i have the vindicator as well.

 

is it really worth the hassle and cost of a cam swap at this point? he's got an ms3, the ms4 isn't going to make much more hp, and if is considering the vindicator, why not just stop f'ing around and buy a t-rex? if you're looking for a "max effort" build, ditch the fast 90 setup and buy a vic jr, then get a custom ground cam somewhere in the 246/254 range on a 108 lsa. get a th350 with a brake and 8" converter and some 410 gears. your setup is far from a max effort build.

i'd guess all 3 of those cams you posted about will make within 10-15 whp of each other and et/mph VERY closely.

 

+1000 .. hardly seems worth the effort.

 

Max effort can mean alot to diffrent people. The reason I want to swap it out is because I have yet to drop in the motor and besides I want to slap the MS3 in my 01 Formula just for fun. I already have everything here at my shop to do the swap so why not. The set up im running right now is just to get the car on its feet and put down good numbers and track times with a max effort streetable cam. This is my shop car and want to be able to drive it like in my orginal post. Im not going custom grind yet cause im not done getting the MAX EFFORT out of my current set up. Test and trial have alot to do with getting the max out of your ride. Racing is about getting the right combo (Engine, Trans, Suspention and tune). When the time comes I will be swapping parts out for better ones. Hell there already here laying around in my shop LOL

 

 

+10000 on that one...but thats jus me being biased having a T-rex cam!