Why all the big tradtional split and not reverse split cams?
Re: Why all the big tradtional split and not reverse split cams? I am not keeping the stock manifolds and cats, but I do run the cats on my FLP's though the Hooker catback, and am thinking that a traditional cam would be a better choice when I do heads later this year. The TR220 was fine for a daily driver, but now that it's not a daily driver, I want more power!
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Re: Why all the big tradtional split and not reverse split cams? HP is a function of Torque. HP measures the speed of acceleration (how fast the work is being done) while torque measure the actual work being done. Look at something that accelrates slow like a diesel making 230 HP and 800lbft of tq.
Build a motor for torque and HP will take care of itself.
On the reverse split side. Yes, the factory intake is the bottle neck. All that is about to change. One of the things about reverse splits is it helped drivability, and kept you from having so much programming to do. With the proliferation of LS1edit folks are getting more radical on their selections.
I think you can make power with a reverse split, I think torque suffers as a result. I think drivability and street manners goes up. I think one of the issues is that folks sometimes go too far on the reverse splits also.
Again, as soon as the intake catch up look for more symetical cams, and teh big standard splits to keep moving ahead...
Build a motor for torque and HP will take care of itself.
On the reverse split side. Yes, the factory intake is the bottle neck. All that is about to change. One of the things about reverse splits is it helped drivability, and kept you from having so much programming to do. With the proliferation of LS1edit folks are getting more radical on their selections.
I think you can make power with a reverse split, I think torque suffers as a result. I think drivability and street manners goes up. I think one of the issues is that folks sometimes go too far on the reverse splits also.
Again, as soon as the intake catch up look for more symetical cams, and teh big standard splits to keep moving ahead...
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Re: Why all the big tradtional split and not reverse split cams? TQ is a measure of force, NOT work. HP is a measure of work. The diesel in your example made 230 HP. The HP is the measure of work.
"Woah...I just had a flashback! The Colonel involved in a discussion on TQ vs HP!?!?! We just need ChrisB and a few others and this thread could get to be 5 pages"
LOL! I think I saved alot of my commments there in case I ever got into it again. Maybe this one won't go that far.
"Woah...I just had a flashback! The Colonel involved in a discussion on TQ vs HP!?!?! We just need ChrisB and a few others and this thread could get to be 5 pages"
LOL! I think I saved alot of my commments there in case I ever got into it again. Maybe this one won't go that far.
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Re: Why all the big tradtional split and not reverse split cams?
Yes, the factory intake is the bottle neck. All that is about to change.
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Re: Why all the big tradtional split and not reverse split cams?
HP is a function of Torque. HP measures the speed of acceleration (how fast the work is being done) while torque measure the actual work being done. Look at something that accelrates slow like a diesel making 230 HP and 800lbft of tq.
Re: Why all the big tradtional split and not reverse split cams?
HP is a function of Torque. HP measures the speed of acceleration (how fast the work is being done) while torque measure the actual work being done. Look at something that accelrates slow like a diesel making 230 HP and 800lbft of tq.
Re: Why all the big tradtional split and not reverse split cams? On the reverse split side. Yes, the factory intake is the bottle neck. All that is about to change. One of the things about reverse splits is it helped drivability, and kept you from having so much programming to do. With the proliferation of LS1edit folks are getting more radical on their selections.
I think you can make power with a reverse split, I think torque suffers as a result. I think drivability and street manners goes up. I think one of the issues is that folks sometimes go too far on the reverse splits also.
Again, as soon as the intake catch up look for more symetical cams, and teh big standard splits to keep moving ahead...
One our primary reasons for doing a reverse split was not only to make up for the intake but also to allow the running of open headers in the configuration that most of the f-bodies are doing (Grot style long tube). If you run a standard split with these style headers open it will murder low end torque. I have proof on an engine dyno to this affect. With the reverse split we can maintain healthy lowend torque without losing topend with open headers. I will guarantee that with open exhaust (with Grot style headers) on an LS1/LS6 engine with presently available intakes a properly executed reverse split will absolutely have more area 'under the curve' than any standard split cam.
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Re: Why all the big tradtional split and not reverse split cams?
I disagree. Horsepower(Rear wheel) is a measure of acceleration, torque is a measure of potential. A car that makes "the same torque at a higher rpm" simply makes more horsepower...
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Verdad Gallardo Re: Why all the big tradtional split and not reverse split cams? I still think horsepower and acceleration are directly related. Without RPM * torque you have no acceleration. I'm done.
Re: Why all the big tradtional split and not reverse split cams? On the reverse split side. Yes, the factory intake is the bottle neck. All that is about to change. One of the things about reverse splits is it helped drivability, and kept you from having so much programming to do. With the proliferation of LS1edit folks are getting more radical on their selections.
I think you can make power with a reverse split, I think torque suffers as a result. I think drivability and street manners goes up. I think one of the issues is that folks sometimes go too far on the reverse splits also.
Again, as soon as the intake catch up look for more symetical cams, and teh big standard splits to keep moving ahead...
One our primary reasons for doing a reverse split was not only to make up for the intake but also to allow the running of open headers in the configuration that most of the f-bodies are doing (Grot style long tube). If you run a standard split with these style headers open it will murder low end torque. I have proof on an engine dyno to this affect. With the reverse split we can maintain healthy lowend torque without losing topend with open headers. I will guarantee that with open exhaust (with Grot style headers) on an LS1/LS6 engine with presently available intakes a properly executed reverse split will absolutely have more area 'under the curve' than any standard split cam.
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Re: Why all the big tradtional split and not reverse split cams?
I still think horsepower and acceleration are directly related. Without RPM * torque you have no acceleration. I'm done.
