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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 04:44 PM
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This is why I sold my new 918's and bought the PAC 1218's instead. Peace of mind.
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by gpainnt
man i may i have to re think the 918 for my set up what size cam where you running
I wouldn't. There are plenty of instances of many different springs breaking. It's a matter of common sense and maintenence.

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listen predator-z,i ain't complaining...**** breaks...you well know regardless of recommended this or that,part failures occur...

i have no problems replacing the springs with another set of comp springs...here is another picture for you to mull over from your throne...

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Apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Comparing a sport bike engine and a car's is like comparing a jumbo jet's to a car.

Originally Posted by brad8266
I agree but if you dont want to check your springs then just run a dual spring and forget about them for a very long time. A 600 or below cam at low 230 duration is easy on dual springs.

You cant run 600 on the singles and expect 20k out of them.
That's not a very good suggestion. I would never tell someone to install something and forget about it. That's probably the main cause of things breaking is lack of proper maintenence. That or installation error which the OP hasn't responded to.
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Beaflag VonRathburg
That's not a very good suggestion. I would never tell someone to install something and forget about it. That's probably the main cause of things breaking is lack of proper maintenence. That or installation error which the OP hasn't responded to.

Its an ok idea on a 600 and below lift, 230 duration cam with dual springs, I havent even looked at mine till 20K and theyre fine, plus there are 2 springs to protect the motor in the event one breaks. There isnt **** to maintain on a set of springs anyway.
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by brad8266
Its an ok idea on a 600 and below lift, 230 duration cam with dual springs, I havent even looked at mine till 20K and theyre fine, plus there are 2 springs to protect the motor in the event one breaks. There isnt **** to maintain on a set of springs anyway.
I agree to an extent, but there have been plenty of threads on here where people had no idea what was wrong with their cars or had no problems at all. They pull the valve covers and find tons of broken spings.
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Beaflag VonRathburg
I agree to an extent, but there have been plenty of threads on here where people had no idea what was wrong with their cars or had no problems at all. They pull the valve covers and find tons of broken spings.
that's what happend to mine. I had no idea they were broken. I had 8 broke with 571/573 lift
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 11:44 PM
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wouldn't that leave SOME kind of debris with the next oil change? Also, the noise characteristic of the valvetrain would change along with some shitty running of the car once a few break, let alone 8.

Not sure about those people, but I expect a particular valvetrain note and sound to come from my engine bay. A single busted spring would really mess that harmony... every start I listen to it in my garage for unexpected sounds. I hear something out of the ordinary, the engine shuts off unless I know what that noise is...
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Quickshift_C5
Couple of basic questions regarding the spring failure:

1. How did you know there was a problem in the first place? In other words, what did you hear or feel that told you to check and see if one of the springs had failed?

2. When a valve spring fails like this, what other problems could have occured along with it?
Nobody wants to answer these questions? It's a good time for some of new guys to learn.
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SladeX
wouldn't that leave SOME kind of debris with the next oil change? Also, the noise characteristic of the valvetrain would change along with some shitty running of the car once a few break, let alone 8.

Not sure about those people, but I expect a particular valvetrain note and sound to come from my engine bay. A single busted spring would really mess that harmony... every start I listen to it in my garage for unexpected sounds. I hear something out of the ordinary, the engine shuts off unless I know what that noise is...
Mine didn't make any noise because the retainer was still on the spring. The first coil was broke below the retainer so the spring was still holding togethor. I had to really look to see if they were even broke. Few of them I didn't know they were till I took the retainer off. I was just very lucky mine didn't fall apart
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Quickshift_C5
Nobody wants to answer these questions? It's a good time for some of new guys to learn.
I'll answer, I was changing to longer pushrods and just happen to notice that the top coil on one spring looked like it had a crack and yes after I dropped the oil after changing to the dual springs I did see just a little metal on the magnet My failure wasn't like this though
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 01:25 AM
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Is your comp cam a XE lobe? I'm wondering if the ramp rates of the cam rather than the total lift would have an effect on spring life.
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by SladeX
Is your comp cam a XE lobe? I'm wondering if the ramp rates of the cam rather than the total lift would have an effect on spring life.
Yes it is. It's a 228/230
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 02:33 AM
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Wow so after installing a cam in one of our cars you have to change valve springs every 15k miles? I used to have a 355 with a 580 lift hyd roller cam. The cam was a doug herbert cam and I used comp double springs that were good for up to a 650 lift I really can't remember for sure on the spring pressure but i think it was arround 240 and I put well over 40000 miles on that engine before I sold the car and last time I heard they were still running it with out and problems but that wasn't an ls1.
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Beaflag VonRathburg
Apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Comparing a sport bike engine and a car's is like comparing a jumbo jet's to a car.
i wasn't...look closer at the pistons and see the real story for that engines valve failure...something for you to ponder as well...
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 04:37 PM
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Wow bro that sucks !! I run comp 921 dual valve springs for piece of mind. My cam is in the .6xx/.6xx 23x/24x range. I have about 7k miles on them now and will be testing them mid summer and replacing next year.
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by bigfatls6
Wow so after installing a cam in one of our cars you have to change valve springs every 15k miles? I used to have a 355 with a 580 lift hyd roller cam. The cam was a doug herbert cam and I used comp double springs that were good for up to a 650 lift I really can't remember for sure on the spring pressure but i think it was arround 240 and I put well over 40000 miles on that engine before I sold the car and last time I heard they were still running it with out and problems but that wasn't an ls1.
The 15K mile range is for people who don't have the ability to periodically check their valvespring seat and open pressure and shim as required to desired installed height and pressure. $200 springs are cheaper than taking out a motor. As to a change interval my Patriot Golds approaching 20K miles on my TR224 have only dropped a few psi over the baseline. On hard run endurance WOT marine engines i've seen top quality Isky chrome silicon springs only drop 1-2 psi with 130hrs WOT on them.
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Damn I'm glad I havent put my in yet.
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SladeX
Is your comp cam a XE lobe? I'm wondering if the ramp rates of the cam rather than the total lift would have an effect on spring life.
They both do. If you have an extreme ramp rate it's going to slam the valves open and closed as compared to a taimer version where it will open and close them more gradually.
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 09:29 PM
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patriot golds are awesome springs fwiw
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Ill never run 918s again.. i had 4 break with a cam making .595/.598" lift.
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patriot golds are awesome springs fwiw
agree 110%
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