Terry Burger

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11.5 ET at 118.4 MPH
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VINCE

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I think Mike from Cartek has a 415ci motor.. I am not sure. I would have to check Cartek's website.. That is the car I really wanted to see run.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> I think a H/C ls1/ls6 should be able to drive anywhere.. I manage 26mpg when I go out of town at 80mph.. I have 4.10's as well and a pretty big cam.. I guess the Solid Roller cars coming out of Louisiana are spoiling us with 128mph runs at 460rwhp... Maybe solid roller horsepower is different than hydr roller horsepower.. You know, like 100lbs of feathers or 100lbs of lead. Which is heavier? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

RAGEman

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[shameless self-plug]

I take donations, if any of you guys are needing drivers to get track results!

11.5975 @ 118.04 (1.5969)
+733-ft. DA
3425-lb. raceweight
naturally-aspirated internally-stock 6-speed 2001 LS1

[/shameless self-plug]

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MADMAN

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Lou my offer wasnt meant as a flame on you or any engine builder out there. It was an offer to help quiet the naysayers.

My car DOES NOT have a carb on it. It is fuel injected with a FAST computer on it. Yes it is a old style SBC with a carbed manifold on it with a throttle body and 8 injectors on it. The car also has motor plates to put a LT1 OR a LS1 or a old SBC, so the car is ready for anything I want to put in it. I also have a LS1 stand alone harness so if everyone wants to do this then bring your computer, headers, engine and convertor and lets play. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Fenris Ulf

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LG Motorsports:
<strong> Ferris, didn't you see the posts where LGM was asked to take an LGM engine and put it in Madman's car???
You guys will never be satisfied. When I was asked to do something, i agreed, then you still flame me?????</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Lou, did you see the plethora of posts with potential customers asking what one of your X2 packages would run at the track????

The fact that you will not send one of your "fastest heads cam packages in the universe" over to Madman and instead choose to hide behind a solid roller setup that is not even built tells me that you are unsure of the performance of your packages at the track. Or am I missing something here?

LIL SS

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Fenris Ulf:
<strong>QUOTE]Lou, did you see the plethora of posts with potential customers asking what one of your X2 packages would run at the track????

The fact that you will not send one of your "fastest heads cam packages in the universe" over to Madman and instead choose to hide behind a solid roller setup that is not even built tells me that you are unsure of the performance of your packages at the track. Or am I missing something here? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Fenris,
The way I see it, Lou is building HIS solid roller for HIMSELF. This is HIS motor, HIS money which will eventually go in HIS car.

He doesn't want to build a G5X2 motor just to send out and let someone abuse it (No offense Madman, I think you know what I mean). Even if it only costs him $2k for all the parts (Which I highly doubt) that is $2k out of HIS pocket with no quick ROI.. Bottom line is the money he would have to put out to prove something to people like you.

Would you throw money away to prove things or would you just wait until one of your customers to make a pass in their car? I would do what Lou is doing as it is the best idea for the bottom line $ with his company. He is wiling to give HIS motor for testing though. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

<small>[ February 11, 2003, 01:51 PM: Message edited by: LIL SS ]</small>

Pro Stock John

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Hey this is a not a bash forum.

On our site you ask, get a response, and then ask other questions.

Does anyone have anything to prove? Realistically not to me. If Lou wants to support the dyno #'s then he can take the next step. But let's not talk crap over and over again about the same topic. Ironically the naysayers are creating some great advertising for Lou, I bet all the LG related threads have like two thousand views.

Fenris Ulf

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LIL SS:
<strong> Fenris,
The way I see it, Lou is building HIS solid roller for HIMSELF. This is HIS motor, HIS money...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Then why doesn't he put it in HIS car and race it down the track?

mattf2

I think madman offered to have 1 car as a test, so everyone could see the results from the same trans/ chassis combo....

so now we're waiting for the other shops to ante up....

LIL SS

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Fenris Ulf:
<strong> QUOTE]Then why doesn't he put it in HIS car and race it down the track? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think Lou has every intention on doing that once the car is complete. At least thats the way I took his above post.. <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" />

Madman has a car that is track worthy that he offered to let other sponsor use to test their motor combos with. <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" />

<small>[ February 11, 2003, 03:08 PM: Message edited by: LIL SS ]</small>

TrahnZam WS6

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mattf2:
<strong> I think madman offered to have 1 car as a test, so everyone could see the results from the same trans/ chassis combo....

so now we're waiting for the other shops to ante up.... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That definately makes sense. Since most of us are interested in a hydraulic package and LG is the creator of the most powerful LSX heads and cam package known to man then he should have no trouble winning this contest with his G5X2 setup. I am sure the combo is making power so I don't understand why he would want to use a solid setup for the contest like Cartek and the rest will?

JS

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Cartek had 3 cars running 125MPH and 1 car trapping 126 at the FL Event.They were running 11.20's to 10.99 and were driven to and from FL./NJ.

Lou,Mike "Stealths" car has run 130+ but was not at this event.The DA on his 130+ passes were w/+1250DA's just to set the record straight <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

JS

Fly By

You Guys just dont get it do ya?! Lous cars are ROADRACE CARS Not drag cars. He could give a rats *** what what it runs in the 1/4!

Do you realize that his TA race car with over 600 rwhp runs 13s @ 138 with 310 cubes <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> Track times do not matter to him, he leaves that to the customer if they choose to do so. You all DO realize that its not just drag racers that need horsepower? Roadracers need it too last time I checked <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />


Now, Lou said he didnt have a drag car; so then, Madman offered his chassis so that no one would have an excuse. Period. Same car, same track, difference being time it took to swap motors. How hard is that? <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

SAINT WS6

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Fenris Ulf:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LIL SS:
<strong> Fenris,
The way I see it, Lou is building HIS solid roller for HIMSELF. This is HIS motor, HIS money...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Then why doesn't he put it in HIS car and race it down the track? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Because his car is a 421 CI Vette <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />

<small>[ February 11, 2003, 07:39 PM: Message edited by: SAINT WS6 ]</small>

LG Motorsports

Let me try to be brief. I am still at the shop, (self employed you know, I work 1/2 days.....12 hours=1/2 day)

So if I have to go out and buy an engine to make a head and cam engine, just to prove to this group of naysayers, I would be nuts!

AND, The correct thing to do, Business wise, would be to spread the cost of the whole "prove it to the LS 1Tech guys" project over about 20 head and cam packages. That would give you even more reasons to flame LGM.
I am a business man and Trust me, in this economy, there is not enough EXTRA money to blow on "Proving" anything to you guys.

The proof will come in time. The G5 car that does the 11.0 @122.5 is going to upgrade to the G5X-2 package. So that car will be a daily driver @ 3400 lbs that will go 10's no sweat. But the way you all pick "Oats out of horse $hit", I am sure that it won't be enough. The fact that the car that I am talking about already did 11.0 @ 122 with a race weight of 3400# in AUGUST, in Texas, should have already proved something to all of you but I guess not.

OH, and the Air in the Southern part of the USA, is not like New Jersey air in November,(many have been saying that) as the NJ racers found out last weekend.

So a Texas 11 flat @122 run is plenty fast for anyone, and that was on our little ole G5 cam and head package, with LS1 heads!

As far as the Madman offer, I say Thanks. I was going to hold off putting my solid roller engine in MY OWN car to let him "beat it up" a few times. What other Tuner has even considered something like this????

So Now I can say to all of you, when it happens , it happens, and you can either accept it or not. It doesen't matter.
We know that we got roughly 30 more rwhp over our G5 package, And we have one Drag racer who already goes 11.06 @ 122.5, so what do you think it will do with 25 to 30 more hp?
I know the answer, do you.

Love is in the air,

Lou Gigliotti LG Motorsports

<small>[ February 12, 2003, 09:15 AM: Message edited by: LG Motorsports ]</small>

LIL SS

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Well said Lou.. I'm sure you love when other people are willing to spend your money for you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Chicago Crew UnderBoss

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Just to clarify a few facts. Mike, Stealth C5s current stroker is a hyd Cammed 415cid Cartek Stroker, which has pulled a best of 10.7 something in the 1/4 mile. The 126mph time in FLA was pulled by C5 Pig who ran a best of 11.06 at the Breathless Performance Shootout and the only heads/cam car with stock cubes that pulled a 10.99 was Brent's 02 Electron Blue Z06. I know these Cartek 2x h/c cars ROCKED, but was really surprised that they backed up their NJ times in FLA with good humidity and heat! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

I think Lou's H/C package when coupled with 4.10 gears like the cartek M6 C5s, will pull comparable times but only time will tell. His just released his latest G5x package and you have to give his new set up a little time for his customers to hit the drags. His customers may not be as acitve and hardcore dragracers as the Cartek Clan and if that is the case, that's not his fault. Give the guy a freakin break here, his new set up is making big power and time will tell as to the track times as more and more packages are sold and taken down the 1/4 mile.

As to his offer to put what he believes will be his baddest *** stock cubed bottom end LS1 into MAdman's car, i don't blame him for wanting to but his BEST and BADDEST 346cid LS1 into the ultimate DRAG CAR CHASIS! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

Let's quit ripping him and instead applaud both him and Cartek for raising the bar on the power that their head and cam packages are PUTTING OUT, b/c ultimately, we will all benefit from this competition and rapidly growing lS1 tech performance advancments! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

MTI 427 C5 Roadster <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" />

<small>[ February 12, 2003, 10:34 PM: Message edited by: MTI 427 C5 Roadster ]</small>

Richie Carbone

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MTI 427 C5 Roadster:
<strong> I know these Cartek 2x h/c cars ROCKED, but was really surprised that they backed up their NJ times in FLA with good humidity and heat! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The cars fron Cartek definitely rocked the house,they ran awesome for the weather, 70 DEG, HUM 100%, BARO 30.12 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

Since when are those conditions considered good???? <img border="0" alt="[burn out]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_burnout.gif" />

mitchntx

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Richie Carbone:
<strong>
The cars fron Cartek definitely rocked the house,they ran awesome for the weather, 70 DEG, HUM 100%, BARO 30.12 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

Since when are those conditions considered good???? <img border="0" alt="[burn out]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_burnout.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">When the the temps are 100*, 60% humidity, a 30.xx baro and 1500 feet above sea level ...

There are only 2 ... maybe 3 months of conditions close to those quotes in Texas each year. And much of that is the rainy season ...

Fly By

At what % humidity is it rain?