TFS 215 vs ET 215's
03-24-2008, 10:52 AM
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alright...ETP is on a 4 week wait. I called MPH Motorsports and they have a set of the ETP 215s that are used, but Jeremy sent them back to ETP to have new springs put on, gone through and checked. He said $1800 with the rocker pedestals for the stock rockers. Or i'm sure i can get TFS no problem. What should I do?!?! I know i wouldn't have a problem with the used ETPs but i'm just not wanting to buy used heads...opinions? quick please! haha
03-24-2008, 11:13 AM
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alright...ETP is on a 4 week wait. I called MPH Motorsports and they have a set of the ETP 215s that are used, but Jeremy sent them back to ETP to have new springs put on, gone through and checked. He said $1800 with the rocker pedestals for the stock rockers. Or i'm sure i can get TFS no problem. What should I do?!?! I know i wouldn't have a problem with the used ETPs but i'm just not wanting to buy used heads...opinions? quick please! haha
The way the ETP heads are engineered provide them one of the highest resistance to time and abuse (inserts and deck thickness)
Plus you go as my set-up with the stock rockers...saving again and strong results.
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03-24-2008, 11:15 AM
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I'd go with the TFS if I were in your situation. 
alright...ETP is on a 4 week wait. I called MPH Motorsports and they have a set of the ETP 215s that are used, but Jeremy sent them back to ETP to have new springs put on, gone through and checked. He said $1800 with the rocker pedestals for the stock rockers. Or i'm sure i can get TFS no problem. What should I do?!?! I know i wouldn't have a problem with the used ETPs but i'm just not wanting to buy used heads...opinions? quick please! haha
03-24-2008, 11:46 AM
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I'm going with TFS...i just can't make myself spend $2K on used heads when i've had the car apart since december and put this much work into it...I just can't! I don't think it's gonna make any noticeable difference. I'm sure i'm going to be more than happy with TFS.
03-24-2008, 01:02 PM
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wow, everything is ordered and should be here in a week or so. i can't wait to have it back together!!! thanks for all the help. anybody want to make a RWHP guess??? I'm hoping to hit 480. MS4, TFS heads, FAST 90 (port matched), ls7 lifters, M6, Yella Terra 1.7s, LTs, Mufflex ORY into 4" E-cutout, etc...
03-25-2008, 08:08 PM
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1st of all can you shorten this **** up.
2nd I said all 3 heads are very good and can be made to work.
Where are all these record breaking TFS headed cars?
I am one of the reasons GrannySShifting has the knowledge of all these heads.
I am one of VERY few who has done back to back to back testing of ET and AFR on there own car.
The valve train stuff is not rocket science or black magic.
Why dont you go out and be the record setter for TFS, then maybe someone will care about your opinion.
2nd I said all 3 heads are very good and can be made to work.
Where are all these record breaking TFS headed cars?
I am one of the reasons GrannySShifting has the knowledge of all these heads.
I am one of VERY few who has done back to back to back testing of ET and AFR on there own car.
The valve train stuff is not rocket science or black magic.
Why dont you go out and be the record setter for TFS, then maybe someone will care about your opinion.
I never said anything bout record breaking cars? good results yes, none record breaking on the track at least. I'm not even sure which ones head is the dyno king. I dont really care about that though.
I agree the valvetrain stuff isnt black magic, but a lot of people do mess up there. I'm not even sure what Granny is talking about that is so tricky. I just pointed it out as possibly another thing to consider when selecting which head. I was assuming he was making a valid point, I'm not sure you know him better than me.
finally, I dont need to break any records to make my opinion matter. you cared about it enough to address it.
03-25-2008, 08:29 PM
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darrensls1,
I'm tired of typing wars. we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. We can go back and forth til the cows come home. I like TFS, You like ETP. Both have cracked 500 on the dyno. We just need to see more of you ETP guys get to the track. Even if either head could be proven a clear winner, it looks like this OP's decision was more based on lead time. Which is one department where ETP does need to get there act together cause it looks like they just lost a sale. Now if I was set on a certain head I would wait forever, You cant rush a good set of heads.
I'm tired of typing wars. we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. We can go back and forth til the cows come home. I like TFS, You like ETP. Both have cracked 500 on the dyno. We just need to see more of you ETP guys get to the track. Even if either head could be proven a clear winner, it looks like this OP's decision was more based on lead time. Which is one department where ETP does need to get there act together cause it looks like they just lost a sale. Now if I was set on a certain head I would wait forever, You cant rush a good set of heads.
03-26-2008, 06:08 AM
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darrensls1,
I'm tired of typing wars. we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. We can go back and forth til the cows come home. I like TFS, You like ETP. Both have cracked 500 on the dyno. We just need to see more of you ETP guys get to the track. Even if either head could be proven a clear winner, it looks like this OP's decision was more based on lead time. Which is one department where ETP does need to get there act together cause it looks like they just lost a sale. Now if I was set on a certain head I would wait forever, You cant rush a good set of heads.
I'm tired of typing wars. we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. We can go back and forth til the cows come home. I like TFS, You like ETP. Both have cracked 500 on the dyno. We just need to see more of you ETP guys get to the track. Even if either head could be proven a clear winner, it looks like this OP's decision was more based on lead time. Which is one department where ETP does need to get there act together cause it looks like they just lost a sale. Now if I was set on a certain head I would wait forever, You cant rush a good set of heads.
Not everyone who builds a fast car races at the track. Unfortunately many people do not want to put a roll bar in thier car and race on the streets. ETP's make the power and can back that up at the track "WITH" the right setup around it.
The dyno will tell where the power is and then it's up to the owner to use the proper tires, stall, gears and shiftpoints to turn all of that HP into ET and trap. You can agree to disagree if you like but I will never agree that TFS outperforms ETP.
I will agree that ETP and TFS are both kick *** heads, worth the money and worth the wait.
03-26-2008, 10:06 AM
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I read somewhere that you need roller rockers for the trickflows. Still I think they are close enough in price that cost can be set aside.
On top of that I have a performance shop owner/sponsor who has installed and dynoed both heads on various customers cars tell me that he likes the ETP's better. You are biased based on your setup. I am biased based on my previous choice for a setup. But he could care less since he sells both heads and would make money either way.
Sorry if I choose to believe him.
On top of that I have a performance shop owner/sponsor who has installed and dynoed both heads on various customers cars tell me that he likes the ETP's better. You are biased based on your setup. I am biased based on my previous choice for a setup. But he could care less since he sells both heads and would make money either way.
Sorry if I choose to believe him.
Valvetrain on the ETP stuff isnt a black art like ATVRacr said, but your not going to pop off stock heads, bolt down ETPs and supplied hardware, measure pushrod length and go turn 7500+ as easily as you will any of the more "stock" castings. Its a pretty heavy valve, long pushrod deal, with a solid roller it wouldnt matter much with good parts but you can only go do so much with hyd stuff. I set ATVracrs stuff up pretty specifically for what he was doing, your average end user is NOT going to go thru 1/3 of that process. Id definitely say that the ETP CAN make the most power, but WILL they is ultimately up to the guy picking the parts, valvetrain etc etc. Sometimes simpler is better for some, even I choose simpler for alot of customers. If I have to take them time to set things up/check more things it can add to the cust. final tab. In a case like ATVRacrs it didnt matter much because he got heads, springs, etc at my cost, my time figuring out how to get the spring I wanted, right hardware to use it, setup etc was free - for most it would have been a bill of @$3200 for parts, plus time/labor.
This is why there is not one "best" cylinder head. Its whats best for what your doing that matters. I think the last 5 sets of heads I ordered to put together was a ported stock casting, AFR, ported stock, TFS, and ETPs. Brand loyalty is BS. Getting the customer the best for what they are doing is much better for them than pushing your particular product like the crack man!
03-26-2008, 11:10 AM
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Pretty impressive though for AFR 205's. Like I said, if you buy AFR, ETP or TFS then you all ready won
03-26-2008, 11:53 AM
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I set ATVracrs stuff up pretty specifically for what he was doing
In a case like ATVRacrs it didnt matter much because he got heads, springs, etc at my cost, my time figuring out how to get the spring I wanted, right hardware to use it, setup etc was free - for most it would have been a bill of @$3200 for parts, plus time/labor.
In a case like ATVRacrs it didnt matter much because he got heads, springs, etc at my cost, my time figuring out how to get the spring I wanted, right hardware to use it, setup etc was free - for most it would have been a bill of @$3200 for parts, plus time/labor.
Guess we'll find out.
03-26-2008, 01:23 PM
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wow, everything is ordered and should be here in a week or so. i can't wait to have it back together!!! thanks for all the help. anybody want to make a RWHP guess??? I'm hoping to hit 480. MS4, TFS heads, FAST 90 (port matched), ls7 lifters, M6, Yella Terra 1.7s, LTs, Mufflex ORY into 4" E-cutout, etc...
03-27-2008, 09:03 AM
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I'm going with TFS...i just can't make myself spend $2K on used heads when i've had the car apart since december and put this much work into it...I just can't! I don't think it's gonna make any noticeable difference. I'm sure i'm going to be more than happy with TFS.
You will be more than happy with your heads. Let us know if you have any questions.
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