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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 12:22 PM
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I have heard alot about these cam shafts and need help desiding on which one to get. I have also heard that these are the biggest cams you can put in a ls1 based car without flycutting the pistons. So i need some help desiding on which one to get that will make the most power for my set up. I have heard the MS4 is a good range cam just doesnt pull hard at the top end, but then i have heard that the mega death cam is not that good on the bottom end but top end pulls hard just need some information form people that already have these cams. I have a LS1 with fast 90/90 slp under drive pulley, slp cold air, double roller timing chain, ls6 heads with patriot dual valve springs, and all the other bolt ons that a ls1 has. So any information would help alot. Thanks
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How about a comp cams XFI286R113?

It's a 251/256 .660/.655 on a 113.
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How about a comp cams XFI286R113?

It's a 251/256 .660/.655 on a 113.

hey why do you recommend this cam?
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comeon people i need some info
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I would reccomend the MS4 because of the broad power range on it, but it still pulls very hard top end merely because of the size of the cam. I dont know much about the mega death cam but i have seen the MS4 cam make good power multiple times.
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My mechanic just installed an MS4 into a GTO, stock heads.. it really pulled hard. It maxed his injectors out though so he's looking at new injectors and maybe even a fuel pump and wiring harness. It does make some good power. But you can call it any name you want, they are all very very similar. I'm going to release the Nuclear Bomb Camshaft of Total Destruction soon. Or better yet, spec one that has killer valve events for cam only cars, then paint it pink, and call it The Little Faerie Flower Wand.
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My mechanic just installed an MS4 into a GTO, stock heads.. it really pulled hard. It maxed his injectors out though so he's looking at new injectors and maybe even a fuel pump and wiring harness. It does make some good power. But you can call it any name you want, they are all very very similar. I'm going to release the Nuclear Bomb Camshaft of Total Destruction soon. Or better yet, spec one that has killer valve events for cam only cars, then paint it pink, and call it The Little Faerie Flower Wand.
haha when you come out with that let me know i want the pink one
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I would reccomend the MS4 because of the broad power range on it, but it still pulls very hard top end merely because of the size of the cam. I dont know much about the mega death cam but i have seen the MS4 cam make good power multiple times.
thanks alot man do you know how much power his car made? and what was done to it?
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Originally Posted by Paint_It_Black
How about a comp cams XFI286R113?

It's a 251/256 .660/.655 on a 113.
Youre kidding right?
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Youre kidding right?
Obviously you'd have to flycut for it, but why not? I bet it makes more power than an MS4 If you want to go big, then go BIG! Just prepare for 7500+ shift points
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**** that its a stock ls1 it cant go past 6800rpms it will blow i dont even know why you would recommend that
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Old Apr 5, 2008 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by THE RED "BLUR"-408
**** that its a stock ls1 it cant go past 6800rpms it will blow i dont even know why you would recommend that
Hey smart guy, if your bitching about going past 6800 why the hell are you even looking at the 2 cams you asked about. Most low 230's cams will pull to 7k.
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Just remember, bigger isnt always better, look for something a little smaller unless you like shifting at high RPM 6500+ Good Luck
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Just remember, bigger isnt always better, look for something a little smaller unless you like shifting at high RPM 6500+ Good Luck
True, on my dyno I only went to 6800 rpms.....but the power band was JUST starting to flatten out at about 6600 rpms and WAS NOT falling off (probably due to flow of ls6 intake and stock heads).

To the OP, M6 or Auto? What gears? And....how the hell do you have a Fast 90/90 setup but no internal mods yet?
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True, on my dyno I only went to 6800 rpms.....but the power band was JUST starting to flatten out at about 6600 rpms and WAS NOT falling off (probably due to flow of ls6 intake and stock heads).

To the OP, M6 or Auto? What gears? And....how the hell do you have a Fast 90/90 setup but no internal mods yet?
because i have a 408 that had the fast 90/90 on it but ran out of fuel and cant afford the fuel system so im putting the ls1 in until i can and its a m6 with 373 gears
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because i have a 408 that had the fast 90/90 on it but ran out of fuel and cant afford the fuel system so im putting the ls1 in until i can and its a m6 with 373 gears
What cam was in the 408? Might just use that one if it's not any bigger than say the MS4. I really like my MS4, but you're gonna needed bigger than 3.73 gears to get that cam in it's power band. Yes, it does have good lower end power compared to other big cams, but it's still a big cam and you'll need at least 4.10's to wake her up.
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even in a 6 speed car?
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Originally Posted by THE RED "BLUR"-408
even in a 6 speed car?
From what I understand. I have an Auto with 3.73's and 3400 stall and that still isn't enough in my opinion
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damn my friend has the mega death in his gto and has a 6 speed car and has everything i do on mine and made 480 but he says it doesnt pull tell top end now with the ms4 i have hear it has low end power all the way through mid and high range but stops at like 6500 thats why i wanted some info on that ms4 cause he has 373 and still made that much but there is no low end power i just dont know what to do
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