Studding the mains? Overkill for the LS1/LS6?
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Re: Studding the mains? Overkill for the LS1/LS6? I think studding the LS1/6 mains would be overkill unless it's a very high compression engine spinning high RPM's (8000+). Though it might be good insurance on a blown or turbocharged setup running big boost #'s. I don't know of anyone spinning main bearings in the LS1/6 engines, just rods.
Re: Studding the mains? Overkill for the LS1/LS6? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Pro Stock John:
<strong> Who is running studded mains? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I did mine. They weren't too expensive and a little overkill never hurts. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
<strong> Who is running studded mains? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I did mine. They weren't too expensive and a little overkill never hurts. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Re: Studding the mains? Overkill for the LS1/LS6? Whats the point? When is the last time you heard of a main bolt letting go? When is the last time you heard of a main itself letting go? Rods let go, rod bolts let go, pistons crack/disentigrate. Those should be the main concerns IMHO
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Re: Studding the mains? Overkill for the LS1/LS6? Did mine and I would say that I have tapped 8000 a couple of times <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" /> she still there and they will be put in my new one too.
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Re: Studding the mains? Overkill for the LS1/LS6? i just dropped $6K plus on my stock cubed motor. whats another $135 towards a little insurance? plus deduct what OEM suff is gonna cost you from that $135. makes even more sence after that.
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Verdad Gallardo Re: Studding the mains? Overkill for the LS1/LS6? My concern was, with the crank ofset ground to 3.72, and the big nitrous hit, 300+, it certainly couldn't hurt.
Without big boost, or nitrous, I'd say that it's not needed. But better to do it while you have the motor out, as opposed to down the road when you decide you want to throw more at it.
Without big boost, or nitrous, I'd say that it's not needed. But better to do it while you have the motor out, as opposed to down the road when you decide you want to throw more at it.
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Re: Studding the mains? Overkill for the LS1/LS6? Exactly. when you figure in the cost of main studs against the whole price for the motor, it's a small price to pay for the extra security, ecspecialy if F/I or N2O, ecspecially if you figure the cost against buying a new set of GM bolts, you'd almost be crazy not to do it, even if just H/C, if you remotely think you might ever wanna spray or boost, just do it.
My question would be instead, are billet main caps really worth it? Matt Harlan had them on his car, and went back to stock, now whether it was because of the mains themselves, or improper maching, they caused him problems, and if he can make 700 at the wheels with studded stock mains, then we all should be able to make less power safely for now. I would rather use the money from the billet mains and buy a rev-kit from ARE instead, i have heard of more valve float issues than spun mains.
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My question would be instead, are billet main caps really worth it? Matt Harlan had them on his car, and went back to stock, now whether it was because of the mains themselves, or improper maching, they caused him problems, and if he can make 700 at the wheels with studded stock mains, then we all should be able to make less power safely for now. I would rather use the money from the billet mains and buy a rev-kit from ARE instead, i have heard of more valve float issues than spun mains.
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Re: Studding the mains? Overkill for the LS1/LS6? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ZYA_LTR:
<strong> Exactly. when you figure in the cost of main studs against the whole price for the motor, it's a small price to pay for the extra security, ecspecialy if F/I or N2O, ecspecially if you figure the cost against buying a new set of GM bolts, you'd almost be crazy not to do it, even if just H/C, if you remotely think you might ever wanna spray or boost, just do it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I couldn't agree more. If you've got the money there is nothing wrong with a little overkill. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
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<strong> Exactly. when you figure in the cost of main studs against the whole price for the motor, it's a small price to pay for the extra security, ecspecialy if F/I or N2O, ecspecially if you figure the cost against buying a new set of GM bolts, you'd almost be crazy not to do it, even if just H/C, if you remotely think you might ever wanna spray or boost, just do it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I couldn't agree more. If you've got the money there is nothing wrong with a little overkill. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
Paul
Re: Studding the mains? Overkill for the LS1/LS6? I spun 3 mains when i first put the motor together. More related to the billet caps, line hone, and bearing crush than clamp force. I went back to stock because the bearing failure took out 3 caps, the block and crank. DOH!
Studding buys you insurance. If you plan to have the bottom end apart or the heads off a few times put in studs. You will save your block. The aluminum threads have a finite life cycle when it comes to R&R with complete torque.
<small>[ February 07, 2003, 01:47 PM: Message edited by: y2khawk ]</small>
Studding buys you insurance. If you plan to have the bottom end apart or the heads off a few times put in studs. You will save your block. The aluminum threads have a finite life cycle when it comes to R&R with complete torque.
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Re: Studding the mains? Overkill for the LS1/LS6? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by y2khawk:
<strong>Studding buys you insurance. If you plan to have the bottom end apart or the heads off a few times put in studs. You will save your block. The aluminum threads have a finite life cycle when it comes to R&R with complete torque. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Good point, Matt.
I have ARP main studs, as well as the ARP head studs. Can't be too safe. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
<strong>Studding buys you insurance. If you plan to have the bottom end apart or the heads off a few times put in studs. You will save your block. The aluminum threads have a finite life cycle when it comes to R&R with complete torque. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Good point, Matt.
I have ARP main studs, as well as the ARP head studs. Can't be too safe. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Re: Studding the mains? Overkill for the LS1/LS6? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Haaseman:
<strong> Who sells the studs? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Click the email link in Paul @ Thunder's post. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> He's an evil man to deal with. He keeps selling me more and more stuff. <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />
-Andrew
<strong> Who sells the studs? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Click the email link in Paul @ Thunder's post. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> He's an evil man to deal with. He keeps selling me more and more stuff. <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />
-Andrew
Re: Studding the mains? Overkill for the LS1/LS6? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Camaroholic:
<strong>Click the email link in Paul @ Thunder's post. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> He's an evil man to deal with. He keeps selling me more and more stuff. <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />
-Andrew </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" alt="[angel]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_angel.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />
Paul
<strong>Click the email link in Paul @ Thunder's post. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> He's an evil man to deal with. He keeps selling me more and more stuff. <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />
-Andrew </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" alt="[angel]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_angel.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />
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