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Old Jul 12, 2008 | 08:43 PM
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i have ~ AFR ~ 225cc cnc ported w/parts 62cc part # 1610

do i need to upgrade the spring and or anyother parts to be able to run a big cam like a Magic Stick 4 ? ? ?
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Old Jul 12, 2008 | 09:08 PM
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Contact Tony Mamo directly, he has the best information on the valve srpongs.

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Old Jul 13, 2008 | 07:01 AM
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Check patriot performance.I swapped mine with their .660 lift dual extreme springs.I believe they are $9.50 each...They'll drop right in....
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Old Jul 13, 2008 | 07:44 AM
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Unfortunetly AFR uses a 0.600 lift spring on there heads, even the 225cc version.

When I went to install my cam, lift was just around 0.600, Tony not only suggested upgrading the spring, he almost demanded it. :-) So in went a set of AFR #8019 dual springs.

IMO, AFR should include this dual spring as standard on the heads, especially the 225cc version.
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Old Jul 13, 2008 | 01:26 PM
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redchevytruck is a friend of mine. We've had his valve covers off before to reveal his valvesprings on the AFR's. They are dual springs. Does that mean that his have the 8019 spring upgrade? Or were the standard springs (non 8019) dual as well?
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Old Jul 13, 2008 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by frito1
redchevytruck is a friend of mine. We've had his valve covers off before to reveal his valvesprings on the AFR's. They are dual springs. Does that mean that his have the 8019 spring upgrade? Or were the standard springs (non 8019) dual as well?
They are both dual springs. You can grab a set of 8019 springs only right from AFR. Never heard of one failing.
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Old Jul 13, 2008 | 02:27 PM
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They are both dual springs. You can grab a set of 8019 springs only right from AFR. Never heard of one failing.
He had an engine builder build his engine for him. He got a bill. Didn't really know what all he got. Now he discovering the cam is no where feeding the 408. It's a baby cam that I wouldn't even be happy with in my 346. So when looking for a bigger cam, he is making sure his valvetrain will support a higher lift cam.
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 05:00 AM
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I would definitely refresh with the 8019's then. Contact Tony Mamo and get his input, he can advise better than anyone on these heads and what you need.
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 05:28 AM
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I thought the 225 heads already had the #8019 springs standard ?

Thats what Tony Mamo told me when I asked on the forum last year ..
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 08:54 AM
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So this thread is a little useful to others, I will copy and paste this info from Tony.....

"the only way to know if you have our standard 8017 spring or our upgrade 8019 spring is to actually physically have the spring off the head. If the inner coil is the same length or just a little shorter than the outer coil you know its our standard spring. If the inner coil is about .200 taller than the outer spring you know its our upgrade version and the one you really need for that set-up."

Hope this helps!

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Old Jul 15, 2008 | 04:11 PM
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Sometimes springs that come with assembled heads are just there to hold the valves in the head. You should replace them with aftermarket performance springs if you're really pushing it.
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Old Jul 15, 2008 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by KennethS
Sometimes springs that come with assembled heads are just there to hold the valves in the head. You should replace them with aftermarket performance springs if you're really pushing it.
Not sure what heads come like that, but it isn't AFR's or any other I can think of.
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Old Jul 15, 2008 | 08:31 PM
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I have the 8019 springs on my AFR 195 Comp heads and they are good to .650" lift.
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Old Jul 15, 2008 | 10:42 PM
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Honestly, both the 8017 and 8019 spring will work with that cam. I have tested both springs on our computerized spring tester. The 8017 will go close to .690 lift at ~.060" from bind... The 8019 just gives a little more pressure to help with that heavy intake valve. All 225's built in the last couple of years come standard with 8019's.

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