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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 09:26 PM
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aite so i realized after looking at the cam card from my new cam that...actually here are the specs... .236/.242 .602/.612 111 + 2 lsa. what the hell is + 2? i know it concerns advancement but what does it do for me? i am getting the cam put in in 3 weeks because i have no time to put it in and i want to make sure that i understand what it is and make sure i tell the guy putting it in for me what i want. Please someone clarify this for me! i want to understand! LOL
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 09:27 PM
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The advancement is already ground into the cam. No manual adjustments should be needed. You have 2* adv. in your cam. At least this is what TR told me..
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 09:29 PM
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ok now time for me to be dumb...what does that mean? how does it help me?
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 09:32 PM
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Same here the cam should always be installed with a timing tool and if it has built in timing the it should go in straight up. I had a dumbass shop in here install a friends cam in a GTO with 4 deg timing in it after the motor blew found out he retared 4 deg WTF! Thats why the car went from 367 to 310 hp
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 09:35 PM
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so it will still go straight in? you are saying dont retard timing? man i feel dumb...lol
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It will help you out by bringing your peak power down 100 or so rpms, It kinda shifts your power curve down....not less power it just brings it on sooner.

By doin that the people that put the cam in dont have to manually set it up two degrees advanced during installation. I believe you would also want to have an adjustable timing chain set.

In short its much easier to install because you just have to line the dots up on the two gears that the timing chain runs on.
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so it will still go straight in? you are saying dont retard timing? man i feel dumb...lol
yea dont retard or advance it just have them throw it in straight up
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ok, i get that. i just ordered a double roller chain, but i dont remember if it is adjustable or not?/ is it ok that it is not adjustable?
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 09:41 PM
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nevermind, just checked texas speed's website and it is adjustable..
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 09:48 PM
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Thanks Guys!
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Foys_Z
aite so i realized after looking at the cam card from my new cam that...actually here are the specs... .236/.242 .602/.612 111 + 2 lsa. what the hell is + 2? i know it concerns advancement but what does it do for me? i am getting the cam put in in 3 weeks because i have no time to put it in and i want to make sure that i understand what it is and make sure i tell the guy putting it in for me what i want. Please someone clarify this for me! i want to understand! LOL
109ICL or the cam has 2* of advance ground into it. exhaust side might be a little tight ptv wise.
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How did you come up with that?


Not being a dick just want to learn summin.
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 10:27 PM
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get what the specs? i bought it from a member on here nib about a month ago. i have no idea. when you say close ptv how do i check and whats the worse case scenario? i really want to run this cam!
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 10:28 PM
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keep the info coming please! thanks!
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by OUTLAWZ RACING
How did you come up with that?


Not being a dick just want to learn summin.
been there, done that. run it. to much to type, on how to check it. you know how to use a degree wheel?
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 10:35 PM
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nah, but let me know an outline and that will help me out. the guy installing probably knows how.
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Yes I will look it up I feel a little Now just lookin for the formula
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 10:39 PM
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ok thanks!
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There is a difference between "straight up" and "dot to dot"
Straight up means ICL same as LSA (no advance in the grind.
Dot to dot, means dots lining up on cam gear and cranck gear and cam (theoreticaly) should be at ground ICL. ICL = LSA minus advance or in this case 111 LSA - (+2 advance) = 111-2 = 109 ICL

Cams should be degreed, since the cam ground is not exactly as cam card and if those specs want to be achieved the cam needs to be adjusted by degreing it.
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Old Jul 15, 2008 | 06:06 AM
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how do i go about degreeing the cam?? i understand icl and lsa but degreeing is a new one on me. thanks for the help.
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