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Old Sep 7, 2003 | 03:07 PM
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In the above post I said I was worried, and it looks like I was right. Today I finally got a code and a flashing SES, I pulled the codes, misfire on cylinder 7, ok, no biggie, right? wrong. I pull the plug and to my horror it is covered in oil and carbon deposits.

Ok, so now I have a problem, is it a bad ring? or a valve seal? Is a valve stuck open? Goto murrays, grab a compression tester for $30... cylinder #7 - 15psi, cylinder #5, 180psi, sanity check, cylinder #7 - 15psi

This is not good. What can cause no compression? A blown head gasket? valve stuck open? blown ring?

here is what happened, on my way to work in the morning the car started to studder at low rpm's, the previous day I had not raced it or put stress on it, so to me, a ring problem seems highly unlikely, anyone have any ideas?

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Old Sep 7, 2003 | 03:21 PM
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Could be a broken Valve spring. Have you pulled the valve cover off that side and checked it?
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Old Sep 7, 2003 | 03:28 PM
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nope, not yet. I praying that nothing smacked into the pistion, I really do not feel like having to get that fixed

If a spring broke, would that cause all of these problems? Also, wouldn't it hit the piston?
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Old Sep 7, 2003 | 03:35 PM
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Pretty good sized cam in there.

How much did they mill those 5.3L heads?
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Old Sep 7, 2003 | 03:36 PM
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If you are running dual springs, you shouldn't have made contact with a piston. The inner spring will hold the valve up and not let it hit. When you installed your cam and heads.. did you do hardened pushrods? If you didn't install them, the stock ones will bend VERY easily.
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Old Sep 7, 2003 | 03:42 PM
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Tin Indian - The heads are unmilled.

Gomer - Yes, running 978's that were pre-installed by terry. I installed Manley hardened pushrods when I did the H/C swap.

If a spring broke after 3k miles...thats not a good thing...

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Old Sep 7, 2003 | 03:51 PM
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I've been running those springs for a while without a problem and I haven't heard of any failures with them yet.. BUT, that would be one of the easiest things to check. Keep us posted.
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Old Sep 7, 2003 | 03:55 PM
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what other problems could it be?

Also, what is your compression on a cylinder supposed to be? is 180 low?
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Old Sep 7, 2003 | 04:18 PM
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Do a leak down test to determine the problem, if you hear hissing in the exhaust or intake then it's a valve problem, if you hear hissing in the oil intake its a ring or a hole in the piston, if you see air bubbles in the coolant, you've got a blown head gasket.
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Old Sep 7, 2003 | 04:36 PM
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Take it to the nearest LS1 shop. Where do you live?
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Old Sep 7, 2003 | 04:39 PM
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How do I do a leak down test? How can I distinguish between the sounds? Is it really noticeable?
I live in Troy, MI, I have quite a few shops to help me, I wanted to avoid them at all costs..
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Old Sep 7, 2003 | 05:25 PM
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I think you have a broken valve spring.
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Old Sep 7, 2003 | 05:52 PM
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Do you have smoke comin' out of your oil-filler cap at idle? What about out of the dip-stick at idle?
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Old Sep 7, 2003 | 06:54 PM
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Default Re: ...this is not good :(

Dragon - I didn't check, should I just take the filler cap off and look? The cylinder #7 is on the drivers side.
What should I look for on the dipstick at idle? Smoke? I really don't think I see any on the drivers side.
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Old Sep 7, 2003 | 08:58 PM
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It won't take very long to pull the valve cover off and check that spring.
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Old Sep 7, 2003 | 11:00 PM
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It won't take very long to pull the valve cover off and check that spring.
I agree with that. Needs to be checked for sure.
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Old Sep 8, 2003 | 07:55 AM
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How do I do a leakdown test? Should I just take it to a shop and have them do it?
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Old Sep 8, 2003 | 08:09 AM
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You need a leak down guage and air. With the piston at absolute TDC...with guage /supply air off, install air line from leak down guage into the spark plug hole of cylinder to be checked...supply air on to that cylinder...supply guage will show psi of air going into the hole...2nd guage will show amount of leak down in percentage. I use 100 psi supply air just b/c it's easier to figure leakdown percentage.

Not a hard job...just takes a little time. You can do this yourself, and for the $ spent to have a shop do it, you can purchase the guages and add to your tool collection

I agree w/the above posts....check the springs/pushrods 1st...then if all is well...do a compression/leakdown. Good luck
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Old Sep 8, 2003 | 08:31 AM
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Default Re: ...this is not good :(

For the compression test, does it need to be at WOT?

I don't have access to air tools right now, I'm gunna get a quote and see how much it'll run me.

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Old Sep 8, 2003 | 08:36 AM
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Default Re: ...this is not good :(

I called a local shop and they said they don't usually do leak-downs and that they can hook up a vacuum gauge to it to see if a valve is bad. What do you guys think? He said they would do a leakdown but it will cost a lot more and that the vacuum test would be cheaper and still show what is wrong with the car.
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