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Old 09-27-2008, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by N4cer
You gotta also pay some attention. Here on tech, everyone praises the 224 cam, but if you ask them they say, "I used to have it, but I got rid of it."
That doesn't say anything negative about the 224 cam. It's a great street cam, period, end of story. You also have to pay attention as to why people have gotten rid of it. It depends on how you're going to use your car. If you want the best times at the track, there are better cams out there.

There are also a group of people who have gotten rid of the 224 cam and wish they hadn't. It's human nature to think that the grass is always greener on the other side.

It's a great cam for the street; it makes great power with the right combo; it can pass a sniffer test, and it doesn't take a degree in rocket science to tune it.
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I had a 224 cam, sold the car for a different Fbody and bought the same cam again...
Old 09-28-2008, 08:06 AM
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I put a TR 224 114 in my 2000 ls1, with ls1 heads/manifold. I also added a ported tb at the time.

I got 44 rwhp from the cam/tb swap. Thats a ton, I think, for that top end! Its a great cam. And, it is most def not the same as a 224 XE-R for example, as posted, it has proprietary lobes.

FWIW, of all the dyno curves I've seen of ls motors (and I have hundreds on my pc to look at), the 224 has the best looking tq curve of all of them. Its almost perfectly balanced.

As many have stated, many including myself have 'moved on' to other cams (currently have a 253/259 112+4...but its in a 440!)...I'm a big fan of the TSP 231/237 for a 346 also, but its not quite as 'butter' as the 224.

I recommend either a 224 or 231/237 to my buds when we mod their 346's, and both are great.
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224 on a 114 here, just passed smog, and VERY happy with the manners and the power of the cam.
Old 09-28-2008, 11:26 AM
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The comp cam you have listed is very close to the one I have currently have, but Im actually upgrading to the tr224 on 112. Either one is a great choice, but the 224 should produce better numbers!
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I know the lobes are proprietary but what is different? more aggressive?

I had comp grind me a tr230 clone when TR told me it was out of stock and I could get the comp ground for $320 shipped at the time. I'm not sure which lobe profile was used as it's not on my card. lobe lift is .3370/.3340 gross valve lift is .572/.567

if I knew then what I know now I would have worked with pat to spec a custom cam of the reverse split variety for them to grind me...and next time that's what I'll do
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You could always shoot Patrick G a message to have him spec you a custom cam to pass emissions and make good power...
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Originally Posted by Summerwolf
comp cams can make a 224r clone very easily....and I would say that cam is not a worthy upgrade.
that is the cam I run on my LS6. just over 400 rwhp and 400 rwtq.
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Originally Posted by 99blancoSS
The TR224 is not a cloneable cam. It uses proprietary lobes. IT is the best all around cam on the planet. 224r is not the same cam.
I understand this, but if he needs to go through comp cams for some discount, and he really wants to save the 100 bucks or so....he can get a 224/224 with similiar lifts on the same LSA and use comp lobes....not a huge issue and it would probably make just about the same power.
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The XE-R Comp lobes are SLIGHTLY more aggressive IIRC.
Old 09-28-2008, 07:18 PM
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Full bolt-on 2000 SS M6 with moser 12 bolt w/4.10's with LS6 intake and tr224/224 .563/.563 112 lsa and have a best of 11.91 with a shitty 60ft. I race big head cam cars all the time and run good against them or beat them. My car is a cam only car also, no head work. I would love to drive a big cam car to see the difference but I have loved my cam for the past two years.
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your tuner is useless
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Originally Posted by Summerwolf
I understand this, but if he needs to go through comp cams for some discount, and he really wants to save the 100 bucks or so....he can get a 224/224 with similiar lifts on the same LSA and use comp lobes....not a huge issue and it would probably make just about the same power.
I had a COMP XE-R 224/224 cam. I'd spend the extra money on the TR if I were doing it. Liberace sucked less ***** than that cam did.
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Originally Posted by N4cer
I had a COMP XE-R 224/224 cam. I'd spend the extra money on the TR if I were doing it. Liberace sucked less ***** than that cam did.
what was wrong with it?

I wouldn't expect the difference to be noticeable outside of a dyno
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Just not an impressive cam at all. The magic low end everyone raves about was no better than the G5X3 that I switched to. And yes, I had a great tuner.
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This is why I pay to pass my smog lol
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but how did it compare to stock?
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Originally Posted by themack56
i live in cali, and anything that has 0 to - #s in overlap will pass smog, if u can get pass visual, i have a gm asa cam 226 236 110 lsa, when my tuner scans it it says 0 to -2 overlap
You have no idea what you're talking about. And if your tuner told you this, neither does he.

This post made me laugh pretty hard, so I'll give you credit for that.
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Originally Posted by thunderstruck507
but how did it compare to stock?
It doesn't matter. If I'm going with a small cam that has no more ***** down low than a cam that is 234/242, then what's the advantage? None. If you are going 224, go with a TR224. The XE-R sucked.
Old 09-29-2008, 12:33 AM
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can someone someone give me the low down on the TR224 112lsa vs. 114lsa? This is for a stock LQ9 w/longtubes.


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