Best Cam for the most aggresive DD ?
10-02-2008, 11:33 AM
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Whats the best cam for a 98 z28 A4 which is my DD. I plan on staying NA for awhile so im looking for the highest HP cam i could put in my car which will have full bolt ons (LT's, Fast intake, Lid, Pulleys etc.), stall (im thinking a 3800), and 3.73 gears. It is my daily driver but i want it to be the most agressive street car i can make it 
So im just seeing what i should be looking at for a cam ? 
So im just seeing what i should be looking at for a cam ? 
10-02-2008, 11:39 AM
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Remeber a big cam will give you high peak hp numbers, but you want a cam with good useable midrange and low end for a DD, make sure you have a good tuner near you
10-02-2008, 01:28 PM
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yes
gas isnt that bad..
my tuner mad my car perfectly streetable.. doesnt stall, buck, jerk, nothing..
------- yea you want all that midrange power in like the 3K rpm range because you race SOOO many people at half throttle..
who cares how good it picks up at 3k.. what matters is how it picks up at 5-6k..
again, the reason you want GOOD USEABLE MIDRANGE!?!?! and low end power is because it is SOOOOO important how quick your car pulls away from a red light next to another car, and for when you do those 1/2 thorrlw races.. who cares how it picks up WOT..
honestly.. i have NEVER understood the reasoning behind, go with a smaller cam because on the street it has more midrange and low end grunt that is "useable".. who cares if it has low end grunt or if at 3k it breaks the tires.. hell i can half throttle my car and its headed for the ditch. or give it just barely a quick press and it jumps sideways.. that sounds useable to me.. but again, i dont care.. cause what i care about is how useable my power is at WOT around 5-6k.. where my cam is using its power and really waking up, most smaller cams are starting to loose their edge..
go big or go home.
even a good tuner can only do so much. if it's not a track only car the OP should seriously consider a cam that makes good torque and hp in the usable rpm range. when i was looking for a cam i wanted the "biggest" cam i could get. luckily i listened to some wisdom from the vets on here and went with the cam in my sig. it has been a best of 7.37@92 in the 1/8 and pull both fronts about 1 foot off the ground. i have out run more than a few "monster" cams and poorly matched h/c combos. just a thought
------- yea you want all that midrange power in like the 3K rpm range because you race SOOO many people at half throttle..
who cares how good it picks up at 3k.. what matters is how it picks up at 5-6k.. honestly.. i have NEVER understood the reasoning behind, go with a smaller cam because on the street it has more midrange and low end grunt that is "useable".. who cares if it has low end grunt or if at 3k it breaks the tires.. hell i can half throttle my car and its headed for the ditch. or give it just barely a quick press and it jumps sideways.. that sounds useable to me.. but again, i dont care.. cause what i care about is how useable my power is at WOT around 5-6k.. where my cam is using its power and really waking up, most smaller cams are starting to loose their edge..
go big or go home.
says you with over drive
10-02-2008, 02:01 PM
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heres my .02!
the best cam for an aggressive DD absolutely does not mean it has to be a donkey dick cam. since its a DD u will want torque and power under the curve. u wont be at WOT all the time and u will want the fun factor along with the top end power. the 228/232 is a great cam that makes great power along with under the curve power. im runnin the 232/234 and it pulls from 2.5k on up which makes for a fun street car. the 230/224 is also a fun street cam which you should take a look at.
the best cam for an aggressive DD absolutely does not mean it has to be a donkey dick cam. since its a DD u will want torque and power under the curve. u wont be at WOT all the time and u will want the fun factor along with the top end power. the 228/232 is a great cam that makes great power along with under the curve power. im runnin the 232/234 and it pulls from 2.5k on up which makes for a fun street car. the 230/224 is also a fun street cam which you should take a look at.
10-02-2008, 02:36 PM
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i would not pick a cam that big for a street car. the biggest i would go is the MS3. i myself am gonna go with the torquer v3. its not the biggest but it will be a good street cam. another one that is very good is the tr224
10-02-2008, 04:05 PM
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posted by lemons12------- yea you want all that midrange power in like the 3K rpm range because you race SOOO many people at half throttle.. who cares how good it picks up at 3k.. what matters is how it picks up at 5-6k
if your talking about a track only car than you are spot on. but unless he is running a 5,000 rpm stall and a steep gear the so called "small" cam will give you a better average horsepower and will move the car quicker. if the car is gutted and a all out track car then the "donkey dick" cam sounds a winner. did you ever wonder why Chris1313 went with a 230/230 spec'd by pred-z and has been 10.9's. by the way i race alot of imports at half throttle, because that's all it takes
if your talking about a track only car than you are spot on. but unless he is running a 5,000 rpm stall and a steep gear the so called "small" cam will give you a better average horsepower and will move the car quicker. if the car is gutted and a all out track car then the "donkey dick" cam sounds a winner. did you ever wonder why Chris1313 went with a 230/230 spec'd by pred-z and has been 10.9's. by the way i race alot of imports at half throttle, because that's all it takes
10-02-2008, 04:18 PM
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yup i've been surprised more than once though
seriously though for a car that is your dd i can't understand why someone would want a cam that sounds like a dragster but doesn't do **** until 4,500rpm. in a heavy car torque and mid range power is where it's at
seriously though for a car that is your dd i can't understand why someone would want a cam that sounds like a dragster but doesn't do **** until 4,500rpm. in a heavy car torque and mid range power is where it's at
10-02-2008, 04:23 PM
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my 232/234 did fine.. only problems i had was hooking up. I still have stock 3.42s, but now im going to the th400 so it should wake it up a little more.. we'll see what happends. i daily drove my car for a LONG time while it was h/c/i.. stop and go traffic, the whole sha-bang
10-02-2008, 04:28 PM
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my 232/234 did fine.. only problems i had was hooking up. I still have stock 3.42s, but now im going to the th400 so it should wake it up a little more.. we'll see what happends. i daily drove my car for a LONG time while it was h/c/i.. stop and go traffic, the whole sha-bang
a 232/234 sounds like a nice dd cam and should make nice power under the curve in any setup. i think a low to mid 230 duration is where it's at on a dd 346
10-02-2008, 04:33 PM
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i think its all in the package i started with a hot cam and have gone up too a 595-610 and too the cam i have now to a lg xx cam and i daily drive my car with skinnys and slicks out back i think its all in the person i plan to go even bigger when i get heads everybody always tells me don't get a cam this big or that big you will hate it i love it radical. i listen to alot of people saying 1/3/4 is better than 1/7/8's and that seems to not be the case now so now i'll have to change that with my heads too. just my 2 cents
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10-02-2008, 05:53 PM
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if your talking about a track only car than you are spot on. but unless he is running a 5,000 rpm stall and a steep gear the so called "small" cam will give you a better average horsepower and will move the car quicker. if the car is gutted and a all out track car then the "donkey dick" cam sounds a winner. did you ever wonder why Chris1313 went with a 230/230 spec'd by pred-z and has been 10.9's. by the way i race alot of imports at half throttle, because that's all it takes
im running a 4000 and 410s.. theres a lot of people running smaller cams than i am and still have 410s and a 3500-4400 stall.. you just gotta make sure if it is a DD that it locks up good.. which mine does. spot on at 42 mph everytime.. so im usually at about 1500rpms or so around town..
like i said before.. who cares if your car picks up "quicker" than the minivan next to you... by the way, ive raced many cars (faster than imports) at half throttle and toasted them... the difference is minute.. but the WOT is a big difference.
only thing im trying to get to.. is.. do you want it to be more fun at 3000rpms by being able to fishtail yada yada yada.. or to you want it to be more fun at 5500rpms because your ***** are in your neck and your just starting to get to yuour peak power... i guess if i was just trying to show off and stuff, like taking people for rides or breaking loose coming out of a gas station, id pick the small cam... but i would MUCH rather have fun by putting a hurting on a car, which is easier with a bigger cam, because they make more power in the long run, which makes them faster... PERIOD.
i dont care how much fun my car is at 3k rpms, because if im trying to have fun its usually WOT.. i want it to be fun at 5500rpms because people are saying "OMG this thing is sick.."
just for the record.. my car is lighter than most.. but not gutted by NO means.. it is a DD and i take it to the track about once every 2 months or so.. or when i get another mod that will make a difference in times..
my numbers are 385/338 on a dyno that dynos about 20 low.. best time was in 80 degree weather and i ran a 7.5@90 with a 1.65 sixty.. my friend nect to me (f12 cam and 5.3 heads) ran a 7.75@89 on the same run that i did my 7.5.. in cooler weather he runs 7.5s.. which would make me at 7.3.. yes i am bench racing.. so believe it or not i dont care.. im putting my ls6 heads on next week and am going to the track.. i have not run this yet, so i am not saying i can.. BUT i am expecting a 6.9-7.0.... how many of you small cam guys are running that? my point.
anways, that just my .02.. hope i could help you out... whatever you decide, good luck man..
Evan
10-02-2008, 07:13 PM
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FWIW: I ran a 230-236 112 +2 in my M6 C5 and made 460RWHP with a H/C ported 90/90 setup. That motor was a blast to drive. It made great power everywhere and I could drive it in DC rush hour and still take it on trips.
That's a size cam you can live with and make very good power.
That's a size cam you can live with and make very good power.