Torque Management delete on M6???
03-25-2009, 12:24 AM
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Trust me, if you zero out these tables in an M6 tune you will gain.
I've seen and used many write ups on A4 TM delete that forget these tables.
A4 or M6 these need to be zero'd out.
I've logged A4 and M6 cars with these tables stock and they pull way too much timing. M6 gets the signal off the CPP switch.
If you think I'm wrong, just don't post again because I really don't care what you do.
I've seen and used many write ups on A4 TM delete that forget these tables.
A4 or M6 these need to be zero'd out.
I've logged A4 and M6 cars with these tables stock and they pull way too much timing. M6 gets the signal off the CPP switch.
If you think I'm wrong, just don't post again because I really don't care what you do.
03-25-2009, 09:31 PM
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Ok, now I'm calling BS. I just finished running several logs with all the engine TM reset to stock and timing set at a linear 20 deg. and anytime I go WOT it stays at 20 until I let off. Do you still have the log where you saw a timing retard on a 6 speed?
03-25-2009, 11:25 PM
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We've been debating over whether or not it is even there in the first place. Basically what I said in my last post is that I set my tune back to stock (at least the part of it that deals with TM) and tested it to see if the performance was affected at all compared to those tables being zero'd out (deleted) and it didn't show any timing being pulled out or anything different at all. So at this point I'm convinced that there is no active torque management on a six speed, and of course you can't take it out if it's not there.
03-26-2009, 02:08 AM
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There is no torque management on an M6! The tables that dude was posting are just reference or lookup tables that tell the engine "look, if you use this much spark retard you will get this amount of torque reduction out of the motor" that is used for traction control purposes. It is not torque management. IF traction control says "oh look! the tires are starting to spin, lets reduce torque by pulling timing" that is where it goes to look up how much timing to pull. By modifying those tables, you can effectively remove traction control from the engine, but it will still apply the rear brakes.
03-26-2009, 04:42 AM
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Just my opinion, but why not just delete it and be done with it. It takes all of 30 seconds to go in there and set those tables to 0. If it doesn't change anything your out 30 seconds, if it does you may have gained a tenth.
03-26-2009, 07:00 AM
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Maybe somewhere.
Thats why I said in the beginning---do what you want, I'm not explaining anything. Everything I say that goes beyond typical turns into a pissing match. And look at it.
Bottom line---tune your car the way you feel necessary. If you don't agree with me, don't listen to me.
Thats why I said in the beginning---do what you want, I'm not explaining anything. Everything I say that goes beyond typical turns into a pissing match. And look at it.
Bottom line---tune your car the way you feel necessary. If you don't agree with me, don't listen to me.
03-26-2009, 09:08 AM
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Now on the ETC M6 cars there IS TM, but not on our F-bodys.
03-26-2009, 09:16 AM
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Well I just found this one that seems to disagree... http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showth...que+management
But I'm going to take the word of my logs over a thread with no proof...
But I'm going to take the word of my logs over a thread with no proof...
03-26-2009, 11:19 AM
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No man, I'm right. You shouldn't have any spark retard on an M6 unless either A) you have traction control on or B) you are getting knock. It wont just retard timing going down the road, or when you go WOT. Those tables will not help you get more horsepower, or make your car faster. If you are not getting any retard, then you are not losing any torque. Period. Of course we already knew that didn't we?
03-26-2009, 12:35 PM
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Dude I just posted that I put those tables to stock and tested it and it did nothing. And if you'll notice I refrained from arguing with you until I tested it and had proof. Seems like you answer will be pretty much the ame thing you've been saying followed by you bitching about how everyone's just here to argue with you. So why don't you take your own advice and shut the **** up till you bring some proof.
03-26-2009, 12:49 PM
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A six speed is a transmission, TRANSMISSION.
Cars with six speeds have ENGINE TM!
Every car has an engine and transmission right?
Ok great M6's have no transmission TM.
They all have engine TM.
I'll go talk to a ******* wall it'll probably see the point before you do.
Cars with six speeds have ENGINE TM!
Every car has an engine and transmission right?
Ok great M6's have no transmission TM.
They all have engine TM.
I'll go talk to a ******* wall it'll probably see the point before you do.
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03-26-2009, 12:59 PM
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You can't just drive around and hit TM. I had my car for 3 or 4 months before I got into a situation when TM kicked in, and slowed it down.
Now someone else needs to come in and say those tables are for traction control, why don't you "have a discussion" with that guy because thats incorrect.
Now someone else needs to come in and say those tables are for traction control, why don't you "have a discussion" with that guy because thats incorrect.
Yes that's incorrect, those tables are not traction control. Nothing more to discuss. Like I've said before, I'm not here just to argue with you or anyone else, I'm here for facts. So if someone can give me some real proof, I'll accept it and shut my mouth.
03-26-2009, 01:22 PM
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wow.. didnt know this thread would have caused this much controversy
But i was reading another thread on HPtuners and one guy said that the Acceleration Slip Regulation (ASR) was the TM for 6 speeds... well i have a switch on my car that says ASR that i can turn it off and on... If this is true when i turn it off does it get rid of the TM while the switch is off completely? or is st still activated just not as touchy...
But i was reading another thread on HPtuners and one guy said that the Acceleration Slip Regulation (ASR) was the TM for 6 speeds... well i have a switch on my car that says ASR that i can turn it off and on... If this is true when i turn it off does it get rid of the TM while the switch is off completely? or is st still activated just not as touchy...
03-26-2009, 01:42 PM
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I'll go talk to my ******* tires and have a more intellectual discussion than this.
03-26-2009, 03:05 PM
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wow.. didnt know this thread would have caused this much controversy But i was reading another thread on HPtuners and one guy said that the Acceleration Slip Regulation (ASR) was the TM for 6 speeds... well i have a switch on my car that says ASR that i can turn it off and on... If this is true when i turn it off does it get rid of the TM while the switch is off completely? or is st still activated just not as touchy...
But i was reading another thread on HPtuners and one guy said that the Acceleration Slip Regulation (ASR) was the TM for 6 speeds... well i have a switch on my car that says ASR that i can turn it off and on... If this is true when i turn it off does it get rid of the TM while the switch is off completely? or is st still activated just not as touchy...