500ci ERL Super Deck?
10-05-2009, 07:32 PM
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"If you have the cash, get an ITB intake. You'll get close to or over 700 RWHP. There's a 454 LSX iron build with one that made 742 RWHP. Street friendly cam.
650 RWHP is pretty good though, with that top end."
Did Harrop have some deal somewhere if you plug their intake enough they will give you a free one?? Every post I see about intake manifolds I read you suggesting an ITB to someone. If these intakes were all they were cracked up to be their would be plenty more out there. For every good running engine(which is a hand full) their are 8 more that wont run for ****. I'm sure everyone appreciates your love for this intake, But let this guy share his build without your ITB Plugs. Guy puts down 650 to the tire and you say its "Pretty good, with that top end" thats insulting if you ask me. Now unless someone builds a space ship powerd by an LSX with an ITB intake on it and shoots to the ******* moon, I don't wanna hear about that dang thing anymore lol.
650 RWHP is pretty good though, with that top end."
Did Harrop have some deal somewhere if you plug their intake enough they will give you a free one?? Every post I see about intake manifolds I read you suggesting an ITB to someone. If these intakes were all they were cracked up to be their would be plenty more out there. For every good running engine(which is a hand full) their are 8 more that wont run for ****. I'm sure everyone appreciates your love for this intake, But let this guy share his build without your ITB Plugs. Guy puts down 650 to the tire and you say its "Pretty good, with that top end" thats insulting if you ask me. Now unless someone builds a space ship powerd by an LSX with an ITB intake on it and shoots to the ******* moon, I don't wanna hear about that dang thing anymore lol.
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10-05-2009, 07:43 PM
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"If you have the cash, get an ITB intake. You'll get close to or over 700 RWHP. There's a 454 LSX iron build with one that made 742 RWHP. Street friendly cam.
650 RWHP is pretty good though, with that top end."
Did Harrop have some deal somewhere if you plug their intake enough they will give you a free one??
650 RWHP is pretty good though, with that top end."
Did Harrop have some deal somewhere if you plug their intake enough they will give you a free one??
He asked about it so I gave him an example build. That goes on here alot you know...people ask for links to show proof for claims....thats what I gave to kumar.
every post I see about intake manifolds I read you suggesting a Harrop to someone. If these intakes were all they were cracked up to be their would be plenty more out there.
Guy puts down 650 to the tire and you say its "Pretty good, with that top end" thats insulting if you ask me.
And who cares what you think.
kumar said he would use an ITB intake if he can see some real results of people who have had success, I gave him someone with GREAT success and videos to prove it, unlike alot of morons around here claiming things.
Now kumar can research it if he wants to. Oh, kumar, there's also Kinsler, Extrudabody and one other new ITB company in Austraila. Just to show I can care less about Harrop.
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10-05-2009, 09:07 PM
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Yes, for a 500ci engine, thats all it is...pretty good. Its making ~50 more RWHP than my 7 year old 427ci. kumar knows it can make more power with a different top end. I guessed it would make 625 RWHP, pretty close guess. Its the top end thats holding it back.
And who cares what you think.
kumar said he would use an ITB intake if he can see some real results of people who have had success, I gave him someone with GREAT success and videos to prove it, unlike alot of morons around here claiming things.
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i appreciate the knowledge but any thread about that guy and his setup? if the ITB stuff was broadly accepted, I wouldnt have tuners telling me not to do it. i understand the potential is there. it obviously makes sense that 8 58mm TBs will do more than one 102mm TB but it also has to be practical. There are a lot of guys that can afford it but don't want to deal with the headaches when they payoff isnt written in stone.
possible negatives:
4-5 grand
fitting under the hood
more moving parts = more things that can go wrong
already heard of blades sticking on one or more Harrops
finding someone that has already tuned one
some kind of air filtration system for a car that sees 15k miles a year
even if all those problems are solved, exactly how much hp is it worth? 30? 50? 70? one example isnt enough to really tell me anything.
Like I said, i understand where you are coming from and it would be the ticket on an ultimate setup but not practical for me. I did the 500ci because it only costs $3500 more than a 443. I blew up my stock motor and had to start from scratch. So I was going to have to spend the big bucks anyway to get a new aluminum block motor. So I decided an extra $3500 was worth it.
Even at 650 peak hp vs the 600 peak hp my 427 made, the new setup should RAPE the old setup because of power under the curve.
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10-05-2009, 09:16 PM
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No, approximately 630 FWHP when it was new. ~500 RWHP, I was thinking your 650 was FWHP. My bad.
Its only because they have no experience with them. They are getting more popular, but slowly, only because of the price. Thats why I said....IF you have the cash.
There's no other intake that can compete with a ITB intake. 55mm TB's for each cylinder is better than a single 102mm opening.
Call that guy who tuned and built that 454ci, I have already talked to him at length. He knows exactly how to tune them and he said it was actually easy.
Call Kinsler and Extrudabody too..........
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i appreciate the knowledge but any thread about that guy and his setup? a streetfire vid is pretty useless. if the ITB stuff was broadly accepted, I wouldnt have tuners telling me not to do it. i understand the potential is there. it obviously makes sense but it also has to be practical.
There's no other intake that can compete with a ITB intake. 55mm TB's for each cylinder is better than a single 102mm opening.
Call that guy who tuned and built that 454ci, I have already talked to him at length. He knows exactly how to tune them and he said it was actually easy.
Call Kinsler and Extrudabody too..........
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10-05-2009, 09:21 PM
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the beginning of the video says 750hp LSX
did he post a 750rwhp claim somewhere? otherwise, i'm not even sure why i'm wasting my time discussing this with you
my motor makes more than 750hp if you want to use flywheel numbers and 15% drivetrain loss
did he post a 750rwhp claim somewhere? otherwise, i'm not even sure why i'm wasting my time discussing this with you
my motor makes more than 750hp if you want to use flywheel numbers and 15% drivetrain loss
10-05-2009, 09:24 PM
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So again....IF you have the cash......get an ITB intake and have one of those tuners tune it.
You have a 500ci engine there. There are C6 Z06's running around with head port work, intake porting, exhaust and a cam that are putting down 630 RWHP. You have the same LS7 top end, so you can see that it is exactly whats killing your 500ci engine. Just with the extra cubes you have over a 427 you should be making at least 65 hp more..IF IT CAN BREATH MORE......
But it can't until the top end is changed. So you have yourself a 427ci really.
You spent a ton of money on that thing, I'd think you would want All-Pro heads and an ITB intake on that thing.
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10-05-2009, 09:27 PM
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Lol you are an idiot.
The only C6 Z06 that has every made 630rwhp heads/cam was Lou Gigliotti's personal car. LG put that exact same package in my car and it made 590-600rwhp.
This setup makes 75-90 more hp that than old setup all the way to redline when it tapers off to 60 more hp.
It would rape any heads/cam z06 in the country. That fact that you are blaberring about peak numbers and even peak numbers that only one car in history has every achieved shows you are a moron.
And I didnt spend a ton of money on this thing.
Go ahead and post all the 630rwhp NA Z06s you have seen. Make sure your dumbass actually posts rw numbers instead of a streetfire vid claiming crank numbers. LOL
The only C6 Z06 that has every made 630rwhp heads/cam was Lou Gigliotti's personal car. LG put that exact same package in my car and it made 590-600rwhp.
This setup makes 75-90 more hp that than old setup all the way to redline when it tapers off to 60 more hp.
It would rape any heads/cam z06 in the country. That fact that you are blaberring about peak numbers and even peak numbers that only one car in history has every achieved shows you are a moron.
And I didnt spend a ton of money on this thing.
Go ahead and post all the 630rwhp NA Z06s you have seen. Make sure your dumbass actually posts rw numbers instead of a streetfire vid claiming crank numbers. LOL
10-05-2009, 09:29 PM
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10-05-2009, 09:30 PM
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It makes sense to me. It makes 65 hp over his FAST 90/90, he has a seriously high flowing exhaust because of the car its in. It has very little drivetrain loss because of that tranny he's using and he is also on E85, so his compression is higher.
So I would think with 500ci and that same top end, you'd be making that much or more. Why don't you call Harrop and have them give you some emails of customers that use that intake over their on LSx's. There's a bunch of them.
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10-05-2009, 09:33 PM
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The only person I know that has had success with it is RobZ in his C5 and that is a 1/4 mile car.
Why dont you put one on your 427?
I dont mind getting advice from people that know what they are doing. If PatrickG or Erik Koenig were to come in here and back up what you are saying, I would. But I have researched this topic extensively. The only proponents of these intakes are the people selling them or a couple of guys with race cars.
10-05-2009, 09:35 PM
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Lol you are an idiot.
The only C6 Z06 that has every made 630rwhp heads/cam was Lou Gigliotti's personal car. LG put that exact same package in my car and it made 590-600rwhp.
This setup makes 75-90 more hp that than old setup all the way to redline when it tapers off to 60 more hp.
It would rape any heads/cam z06 in the country. That fact that you are blaberring about peak numbers and even peak numbers that only one car in history has every achieved shows you are a moron.
And I didnt spend a ton of money on this thing.
Go ahead and post all the 630rwhp NA Z06s you have seen. Make sure your dumbass actually posts rw numbers instead of a streetfire vid claiming crank numbers. LOL
The only C6 Z06 that has every made 630rwhp heads/cam was Lou Gigliotti's personal car. LG put that exact same package in my car and it made 590-600rwhp.
This setup makes 75-90 more hp that than old setup all the way to redline when it tapers off to 60 more hp.
It would rape any heads/cam z06 in the country. That fact that you are blaberring about peak numbers and even peak numbers that only one car in history has every achieved shows you are a moron.
And I didnt spend a ton of money on this thing.
Go ahead and post all the 630rwhp NA Z06s you have seen. Make sure your dumbass actually posts rw numbers instead of a streetfire vid claiming crank numbers. LOL
Whatever....drive around in an expensive 500ci engine that makes a tad more than some 427's and much less power then a properly top-ended 454ci.
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10-05-2009, 09:36 PM
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Im still waiting for all the 630rwhp NA Z06s you were going to post. The only one I have ever seen was done by LG and I had that same package on my car already.
Here are all the heads/cam Z06s:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...ip-inside.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...6-na-rwhp.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...ls7-heads.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...6-results.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...m-results.html
Just as an example, here is my original dynosheet BEFORE we changed the short pushrods and gained 40+hp versus my heads/cam 427. I dont have my brand new dyno sheet yet. Look under the curve. You tell me if that curve is worth an extra $3000-4500 to you.
Here are all the heads/cam Z06s:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...ip-inside.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...6-na-rwhp.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...ls7-heads.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...6-results.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...m-results.html
Just as an example, here is my original dynosheet BEFORE we changed the short pushrods and gained 40+hp versus my heads/cam 427. I dont have my brand new dyno sheet yet. Look under the curve. You tell me if that curve is worth an extra $3000-4500 to you.
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10-05-2009, 09:38 PM
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9500 shortblock vs 6500 shortblock + 5000 dollar intake that might or might not work + 3500 heads + new hood and paint. hmmmm
ill start a thread in your memory when i bust out 144mph traps in my daily driven NA car, just like all the run of the mill heads/cam z06s are doing.
10-05-2009, 09:53 PM
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Lol you are an idiot.
The only C6 Z06 that has every made 630rwhp heads/cam was Lou Gigliotti's personal car. LG put that exact same package in my car and it made 590-600rwhp.
This setup makes 75-90 more hp that than old setup all the way to redline when it tapers off to 60 more hp.
It would rape any heads/cam z06 in the country. That fact that you are blaberring about peak numbers and even peak numbers that only one car in history has every achieved shows you are a moron.
And I didnt spend a ton of money on this thing.
Go ahead and post all the 630rwhp NA Z06s you have seen. Make sure your dumbass actually posts rw numbers instead of a streetfire vid claiming crank numbers. LOL
The only C6 Z06 that has every made 630rwhp heads/cam was Lou Gigliotti's personal car. LG put that exact same package in my car and it made 590-600rwhp.
This setup makes 75-90 more hp that than old setup all the way to redline when it tapers off to 60 more hp.
It would rape any heads/cam z06 in the country. That fact that you are blaberring about peak numbers and even peak numbers that only one car in history has every achieved shows you are a moron.
And I didnt spend a ton of money on this thing.
Go ahead and post all the 630rwhp NA Z06s you have seen. Make sure your dumbass actually posts rw numbers instead of a streetfire vid claiming crank numbers. LOL
I am building a 440ci LS7 at 11.5cr with a 600RWHP pump gas goal in mind. I am seriously considering the Katech Torquer Cam. Do you think that cam is the right choice? If not which would you recomend?
10-05-2009, 09:59 PM
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Are you using ported LS7 heads? which intake manifold? which headers?
The closest thing I can think of to your build is http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...-build-up.html / http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...-7-8-pros.html
That fella used the Lethal cam which is 232/250 on a 113lsa
The Katech torquer cam is 220/244 @ .050, .615/.648 lift 110LSA
Personally, I would go slightly larger than the torquer cam but I'm not even an engine builder. Just speaking from what I've seen.
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10-05-2009, 10:11 PM
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I would ask Jason. Are you using ported LS7 heads?
The closest thing I can think of to your build is http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...-7-8-pros.html
That fella used the Lethal cam which is 232/250 on a 113lsa
The Katech torquer cam is 220/244 @ .050, .615/.648 lift 110LSA
Personally, I would go slightly larger than the torquer cam but I'm not even an engine builder. Just speaking from what I've seen.
The closest thing I can think of to your build is http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...-7-8-pros.html
That fella used the Lethal cam which is 232/250 on a 113lsa
The Katech torquer cam is 220/244 @ .050, .615/.648 lift 110LSA
Personally, I would go slightly larger than the torquer cam but I'm not even an engine builder. Just speaking from what I've seen.
10-05-2009, 10:13 PM
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The Lethal cam is very driveable even on a 427. A friend of mine has one in his z06. It should be very friendly in your 440ci motor.
I think if you send the LS7 heads to West Coast Cylinder heads for some port work, use the Lethal cam, and the Fast 102 intake, you should be at 600rwhp and still have a pretty "tame" setup.
I think if you send the LS7 heads to West Coast Cylinder heads for some port work, use the Lethal cam, and the Fast 102 intake, you should be at 600rwhp and still have a pretty "tame" setup.
10-05-2009, 10:20 PM
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The Lethal cam is very driveable even on a 427. A friend of mine has one in his z06. It should be very friendly in your 440ci motor.
I think if you send the LS7 heads to West Coast Cylinder heads for some port work, use the Lethal cam, and the Fast 102 intake, you should be at 600rwhp and still have a pretty "tame" setup.
I think if you send the LS7 heads to West Coast Cylinder heads for some port work, use the Lethal cam, and the Fast 102 intake, you should be at 600rwhp and still have a pretty "tame" setup.