500ci ERL Super Deck?
08-22-2009, 10:14 AM
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500ci ERL Super Deck? Wondering what the reliability on this block is at 500ci and what sort or power has been made N/A. Is the magical 600rwhp feasible without going over 11:1 compression (preferably 10.5:1)?
My understanding about the benefit is that because it is a tall deck it would be more reliable than the LSX block when going over a 4" stroke and since it is alum you also shave weight over the LSX along with using 6 bolt heads.
Considering it for a new long term GTO project.
Thanks.
My understanding about the benefit is that because it is a tall deck it would be more reliable than the LSX block when going over a 4" stroke and since it is alum you also shave weight over the LSX along with using 6 bolt heads.
Considering it for a new long term GTO project.
Thanks.
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08-22-2009, 12:24 PM
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I am like the biggest doubter when it comes to this block, hehe
I WISH someone would post up any kind of successesfull hp/ track times, high compr. etc with this block as a base.
6 bolt heads? why would you need 6 bolt heads on a block that hasn't seen any sort of compression, fi, nitrous??
If it's been done I'd really be interested to see the results.
I WISH someone would post up any kind of successesfull hp/ track times, high compr. etc with this block as a base.
6 bolt heads? why would you need 6 bolt heads on a block that hasn't seen any sort of compression, fi, nitrous??
If it's been done I'd really be interested to see the results.
08-22-2009, 01:07 PM
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I am like the biggest doubter when it comes to this block, hehe
I WISH someone would post up any kind of successesfull hp/ track times, high compr. etc with this block as a base.
6 bolt heads? why would you need 6 bolt heads on a block that hasn't seen any sort of compression, fi, nitrous??
If it's been done I'd really be interested to see the results.
I WISH someone would post up any kind of successesfull hp/ track times, high compr. etc with this block as a base.
6 bolt heads? why would you need 6 bolt heads on a block that hasn't seen any sort of compression, fi, nitrous??
If it's been done I'd really be interested to see the results.
Lots of people saying it is good but no one has one.
I like it because I could push it to 500ci.
08-22-2009, 01:25 PM
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08-22-2009, 02:23 PM
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The warhawk block has a 9.8 deckheight allowing a 4.5" stroke. (4.185 bore x 4.5 stroke= 495 cu in.). I've had personal experience with other sleeved blocks with bad results. Not knocking ERL. Just not a fan of pieced together blocks.
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08-22-2009, 03:38 PM
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Their turn-key 500ci only makes around 500 RWHP. Thats been done to death for 7 years with 400+ci's and bigger. To make more power with the 500ci you'll need to put another ~$10,000 into it for a proper top end. There's no plastic intake that will feed it, there's not even a head available that can feed their 500ci LSx engine.
A 500ci LSX N/A engine, built to actually get the power out of those 500 cubes, will cost more than $20,000 when you're done. And don't forget about ~$2,000 extra for custom headers because of the tall deck.
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Well you know who I'll recommend and we can set it up for you or you can talk to the man yourself 
09-08-2009, 03:33 PM
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Our 500ci ERL Super Deck was a very mild build. Wiseco and ERL got together and wanted us to do a very streetable setup. We went with a small Hydraulic Roller cam 242/256 @ .050, a stock set of LS7 heads, and about 10:1 compression. The car makes 565HP N/A to the wheels through a 9inch rear and a turbo 400 with a non locking 3500 stall converter. It runs well for what it is and the street manners are very nice. We've gone 10.0's on motor, while the car tips the scales at 3800lbs. We do have a nitrous kit for it as well, but have not sprayed it down the track yet. It did make 920HP on Nitrous on the engine dyno without any problems. And we are still running the factory '98 PCM and tuning it with HP Tuners. There is no doubt that we could have made more power with a BIG solid roller and more compression, but thats not what the point of this build was. If anyone has any questions about the build, just let me know.
David
David
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09-09-2009, 10:51 AM
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Our 500ci ERL Super Deck was a very mild build. Wiseco and ERL got together and wanted us to do a very streetable setup. We went with a small Hydraulic Roller cam 242/256 @ .050, a stock set of LS7 heads, and about 10:1 compression. The car makes 565HP N/A to the wheels through a 9inch rear and a turbo 400 with a non locking 3500 stall converter. It runs well for what it is and the street manners are very nice. We've gone 10.0's on motor, while the car tips the scales at 3800lbs. We do have a nitrous kit for it as well, but have not sprayed it down the track yet. It did make 920HP on Nitrous on the engine dyno without any problems. And we are still running the factory '98 PCM and tuning it with HP Tuners. There is no doubt that we could have made more power with a BIG solid roller and more compression, but thats not what the point of this build was. If anyone has any questions about the build, just let me know.
David
David
09-09-2009, 11:31 AM
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There was a guy a while back that said he was buying one to run in his C6. His goal was to make something like 800rwhp N/A. I just read the article about the Ohio Boys outlaw radial car and they use a ERL 427 LS2.
09-09-2009, 11:40 AM
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Its because a $10,000 SHORT BLOCK is alot of money for a street/strip car.
Their turn-key 500ci only makes around 500 RWHP. Thats been done to death for 7 years with 400+ci's and bigger. To make more power with the 500ci you'll need to put another ~$10,000 into it for a proper top end. There's no plastic intake that will feed it, there's not even a head available that can feed their 500ci LSx engine.
A 500ci LSX N/A engine, built to actually get the power out of those 500 cubes, will cost more than $20,000 when you're done. And don't forget about ~$2,000 extra for custom headers because of the tall deck.
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Their turn-key 500ci only makes around 500 RWHP. Thats been done to death for 7 years with 400+ci's and bigger. To make more power with the 500ci you'll need to put another ~$10,000 into it for a proper top end. There's no plastic intake that will feed it, there's not even a head available that can feed their 500ci LSx engine.
A 500ci LSX N/A engine, built to actually get the power out of those 500 cubes, will cost more than $20,000 when you're done. And don't forget about ~$2,000 extra for custom headers because of the tall deck.
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you sure the new AFR 245 couldnt do it? and just run a fibertuned or willson manifold.