FAST 102 gains over ported LS3 intake in bolt-on 6.0L G8
03-11-2010, 02:52 PM
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Great thread here with very pertinent info from some of the most knowledgeable guys around. Lesson to be learned, be VERY selective about who you choose to to your intake/TB porting. Personally I wouldn't even consider anyone but Tony M, VA Speed, Vengeance or Pete from VMax, who did mine. Seen too many "hack jobs" from other so-called "pros" that looked
like they were done by a 10 year old with a rusty bastard file.
Tony, it would be great to see the results of your new 245 heads with the ported FAST 102. Any numbers coming anytime soon? Thanks,
Jimbo
like they were done by a 10 year old with a rusty bastard file.
Tony, it would be great to see the results of your new 245 heads with the ported FAST 102. Any numbers coming anytime soon? Thanks,
Jimbo
03-11-2010, 03:40 PM
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Great write up Pat. G. I might consider that that intake verses the vic jr an losing power down low... It would prolly gain some decent power with the right heads & cam on it with a 102TB. There is a guy with a shop out of a shop in St. Louis called Performace By Joe and he is claiming some 20+ numbers on the Ls7 version an he seems to think i could gain the same with him taking the time tuning it with me through a big MAF so who knows it would really be nice to fogg this piece for the street an still be able to run a stock hood. Would a 408 cube be decent for this app?
03-11-2010, 03:42 PM
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Tony, when you gonna start playing with these things? I would like to get a ported piece from you when you get further into these guys... 
Always been a fan of your worked pieces never herd a complaint on here. Any info would be great.
Always been a fan of your worked pieces never herd a complaint on here. Any info would be great.
03-11-2010, 05:29 PM
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Great thread here with very pertinent info from some of the most knowledgeable guys around. Lesson to be learned, be VERY selective about who you choose to to your intake/TB porting. Personally I wouldn't even consider anyone but Tony M, VA Speed, Vengeance or Pete from VMax, who did mine. Seen too many "hack jobs" from other so-called "pros" that looked
like they were done by a 10 year old with a rusty bastard file.
Tony, it would be great to see the results of your new 245 heads with the ported FAST 102. Any numbers coming anytime soon? Thanks,
Jimbo
like they were done by a 10 year old with a rusty bastard file.
Tony, it would be great to see the results of your new 245 heads with the ported FAST 102. Any numbers coming anytime soon? Thanks,
Jimbo
-Tony
Takes a different approach to the porting than the older style intake but ultimately the end results are (IMO) better than the first design for sure. Like I mentioned a few posts up, with one of my ported 102 intakes bolted to a new prototype AFR 245, I am seeing 325 CFM net to the cylinder.....most of the better cathedral heads I have tested fall in that area without a manifold attached (and some fall quite a bit short of that). Take a good flowing 320-325 CFM port (like our current 225 head)...bolt a properly ported FAST 90 or FAST 92 up to it, and you were lucky to see 300 CFM's net at the cylinder (290's was more typical). Obviously a good bit of this is related to how well the AFR 245 flows (mid 350's @ .650), but the fact the ported 102 I finished only knocks 30 or so CFM off that big number is very impressive. Bolt an LS6 intake in front of that same head and watch twice that much airflow disappear.
Whenever your ready for one let me know....you wont be disappointed I assure you
Here is a pic of one I just finished porting and painted satin black with a red LSXr logo per my customers request.....Im probably going with the same paint scheme on my own intake.....I really like it. I may hit the 102 logo in white when I do my own as well.
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03-11-2010, 06:40 PM
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For you, yes. For me, not yet. I'm working on a hot little baby cam for my next mod. With the added airflow, this FAST 102 intake is going to really pay dividends.
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03-13-2010, 05:43 PM
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03-13-2010, 05:50 PM
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The point I was making is Patrick is doing his thing on GM heads, one step at a time, to see what he can get out of them, Tony is using his aftermarket heads. Not even remotely related to the intent of this thread.
The two different tests and their results are very informative to everyone but are not the same comparison.
The two different tests and their results are very informative to everyone but are not the same comparison.
03-14-2010, 05:31 AM
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Guys,
I wont be hijacking or semi-hijcking Pat's thread....I had planned to start my own with (hopefully) an announcement of the official launch of the product at the same time.
If things go smoothly that might be by the tail end of the week.
Here is a sneak peak of a pre-production 245....at this point just crossing "T's" and dotting "i's".....I will get into more detail in my own thread.
IMO, its some of the nicest CNC work I have personally ever seen, especially when you consider the cost. This is a high res macro shot that would magnify any minor imperfection. We have really stepped up our game lately and it shows.
Thanks!
Tony
PS....Pat and I are good friends or I wouldnt have posted here but besides checking out the pic leave your questions (should you have any) till my thread discussing the 245 or feel free to PM me.
I wont be hijacking or semi-hijcking Pat's thread....I had planned to start my own with (hopefully) an announcement of the official launch of the product at the same time.
If things go smoothly that might be by the tail end of the week.
Here is a sneak peak of a pre-production 245....at this point just crossing "T's" and dotting "i's".....I will get into more detail in my own thread.
IMO, its some of the nicest CNC work I have personally ever seen, especially when you consider the cost. This is a high res macro shot that would magnify any minor imperfection. We have really stepped up our game lately and it shows.
Thanks!
Tony
PS....Pat and I are good friends or I wouldnt have posted here but besides checking out the pic leave your questions (should you have any) till my thread discussing the 245 or feel free to PM me.
04-15-2010, 06:58 PM
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Pat thanks for the tests. What did the original porter do wrong to drop 10hp and then pick up near 40 with the factory intake? Seams like he forgot something important!
The fast 102 is definately the go, Will be running one on mine then. A few shops have picked up say 10hp from the manifold and some shops have gained 25hp from the manifold alone with head/cam L98s. The milder setups generally get 10 from manifold and 15 from TB! So I guess the TB is worth it. DUSSPEED is releasing the OTR to match the FAST 102 and 102 TB its a perfect fit and will complement the setup well with larger filter area. Will go on your G8 pat something you should consider
BTW a few good baby cams for these floating around in VE SS's in aus.
cheers mate
The fast 102 is definately the go, Will be running one on mine then. A few shops have picked up say 10hp from the manifold and some shops have gained 25hp from the manifold alone with head/cam L98s. The milder setups generally get 10 from manifold and 15 from TB! So I guess the TB is worth it. DUSSPEED is releasing the OTR to match the FAST 102 and 102 TB its a perfect fit and will complement the setup well with larger filter area. Will go on your G8 pat something you should consider
BTW a few good baby cams for these floating around in VE SS's in aus.
cheers mate
04-17-2010, 03:01 AM
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Pat thanks for the tests. What did the original porter do wrong to drop 10hp and then pick up near 40 with the factory intake? Seams like he forgot something important!
The fast 102 is definately the go, Will be running one on mine then. A few shops have picked up say 10hp from the manifold and some shops have gained 25hp from the manifold alone with head/cam L98s. The milder setups generally get 10 from manifold and 15 from TB! So I guess the TB is worth it. DUSSPEED is releasing the OTR to match the FAST 102 and 102 TB its a perfect fit and will complement the setup well with larger filter area. Will go on your G8 pat something you should consider
BTW a few good baby cams for these floating around in VE SS's in aus.
cheers mate
The fast 102 is definately the go, Will be running one on mine then. A few shops have picked up say 10hp from the manifold and some shops have gained 25hp from the manifold alone with head/cam L98s. The milder setups generally get 10 from manifold and 15 from TB! So I guess the TB is worth it. DUSSPEED is releasing the OTR to match the FAST 102 and 102 TB its a perfect fit and will complement the setup well with larger filter area. Will go on your G8 pat something you should consider
BTW a few good baby cams for these floating around in VE SS's in aus.
cheers mate
