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Old Mar 9, 2017 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercier
Same runner model # as the car intake(short runners)?
As far as I can tell. Looks like what I've seen in the car manifolds.
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Old Mar 10, 2017 | 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by KCS
It's going to be a little while until I get results, but I got the LSXRT with the shorter runners. Jesus on a motorbike, this thing is tall!!

Didn't think they were doing the short runners for the LSXrT since it's a cathedral intake.
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According to FAST's website no. According to the rest of the world, yes. This was the same frustration with the LSXR with the short(er) runners. I ordered it from a reseller before it was ever mentioned on the FAST website. In fairness, this is behavior that from a reseller perspective might be applause-worthy; they are allowing their resellers to get the product out there before the mfg website starts "competing."

Supposedly the cathedral LSXRT out-performed the LSXR on same engine so I'm very interested to see how it runs with L92 ports!

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2016/12/...s3-v8-engines/
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Old Mar 10, 2017 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 1970camaroRS
Didn't think they were doing the short runners for the LSXrT since it's a cathedral intake.
It's an LSXRT manifold for LS3 heads, PN 146105B.
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Old Mar 10, 2017 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by KCS
It's an LSXRT manifold for LS3 heads, PN 146105B.
Huh, would ya look at that. Why does their website suck so much?
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Old Mar 10, 2017 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by KCS
It's an LSXRT manifold for LS3 heads, PN 146105B.
Interesting. I would like to see some back to back dyno tests and see where peak power is made. Right now my peak power is at 6600rpm and holds on fairly well. I am not sure if this would fit on my car hood clearance wise. By the way I am running a LS3 based 427 motor in my 1965 Buick Skylark.
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Old Mar 11, 2017 | 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 1989GTA
Interesting. I would like to see some back to back dyno tests and see where peak power is made. Right now my peak power is at 6600rpm and holds on fairly well. I am not sure if this would fit on my car hood clearance wise. By the way I am running a LS3 based 427 motor in my 1965 Buick Skylark.
See Speedtigger, a member here. Mr. LS Skylark.
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Old Mar 11, 2017 | 08:32 AM
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In the last pic, you can see there is a little gap where the runner mates to the lower shell. This was only on the runner for the #1 cylinder. I think I can take it apart, fit it a little better, and reassemble to fix it.
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Old Mar 11, 2017 | 02:31 PM
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KCS, what is the overall height of that intake manifold at #1 runner? I have room for maybe 10" at that location. The stock manifold appears to be around 7" at #1 runner. Looks liked some of that lettering could be ground down to gain a fraction of an inch if need be.
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So essentially what I'm hearing is that they need to begin production of the FAST 92mm intake with removable runners along with the mid length option available. Sounds good to me!
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Old Mar 12, 2017 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 1989GTA
KCS, what is the overall height of that intake manifold at #1 runner? I have room for maybe 10" at that location. The stock manifold appears to be around 7" at #1 runner. Looks liked some of that lettering could be ground down to gain a fraction of an inch if need be.
Hard to say since it has such a round top, hopefully this can help:



That's measured from the top machined surface of the block where the valley cover sits.
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Old Mar 12, 2017 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by KCS
It's going to be a little while until I get results, but I got the LSXRT with the shorter runners. Jesus on a motorbike, this thing is tall!!

Very interested in the results with that intake. Keep us up to date when you have data.
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Old Mar 12, 2017 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by KCS
Hard to say since it has such a round top, hopefully this can help:



That's measured from the top machined surface of the block where the valley cover sits.
Thank you for the measurement. It will be close if I put one on my car.
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Old Mar 12, 2017 | 10:35 PM
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I've got the blue runners in my ls3 fast lsxr
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Originally Posted by 5.7stroker
So essentially what I'm hearing is that they need to begin production of the FAST 92mm intake with removable runners along with the mid length option available. Sounds good to me!
Tests are showing that the mid-length runners in a stock displacement LS3 are not all that impressive.....even with a 102mm TB.

With a 90mm TB, I'm betting it's totally be a wasted effort.

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Old Mar 13, 2017 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by KW Baraka
Tests are showing that the mid-length runners in a stock displacement LS3 are not all that impressive.....even with a 102mm TB.

With a 90mm TB, I'm betting it's totally be a wasted effort.

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Originally Posted by big hammer
And you have a butt-ugly avatar.

BTW.....I suppose you would believe that a gain of 12 HP at 300 RPMs higher, and a LOSS of 15 TQ is a significant gain. I would disagree.

Also, horsepower and torque below the curve suffers with the HP runners versus the full length runners.

Jus' sayin'........

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Old Mar 13, 2017 | 03:33 PM
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It would be interesting to see the difference with a head/cam motor in the 416-427 CI range.
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KCS.
What is the displacement, heads and cam specs on
you're engine below that LSXRT?

1989GTA,
I posted results with the mid length runners in both this
section (0 replies lol) and the Dyno results section with
few replies/comments.
I can surmise from my results that to take advantage
of the mid length runners a combination should
reach peak HP @ 7000 RPM Minimum up to 7500,
and shifting @ 7500 RPM Minimum up to 8000+
So I would consider LLSR & Top Tier Heads at a
minimum. Have some thoughts on a killer 416"
street/strip combo I will post in the other threads
if there is any interest.
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Old Mar 13, 2017 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by KW Baraka
And you have a butt-ugly avatar.

BTW.....I suppose you would believe that a gain of 12 HP at 300 RPMs higher, and a LOSS of 15 TQ is a significant gain. I would disagree.

Also, horsepower and torque below the curve suffers with the HP runners versus the full length runners.

Jus' sayin'........



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Mid runners have absolutely made more hp on stock displacement ls3's. But they're shorter, large runners. Right away this tells you they'll need more rpm or more CI. If you want to stick around 6500 rpm then long ones are better. If you want to go 7500 or so the mid lenght are better
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