In my first thread the other day I was debating which stroker. I have narrowed it down a little but not much. Haha. I don't want to do a 402. I will probably do a 416 or bigger. Based upon my mods listed below which of these setups would you go with? My car is my DD and also my toy. I plan on staying NA. I want something that will rip good on the street and also at the track. I don't want to change my heads at all but if I have to change anything I would change the cam if need be. As far as drivability is concerned, it doesn't matter to me. I live 1 mile from work. Not sure if I can post up prices so I will leave them off for now. If it is okay to post prices let me know and I will post them in. So let me know what setup you would go with and let me know any comments you have based upon parts I should use or not use or anything else I need to know. Last but not least, if this is against forum rules then delete the thread. I couldn't find anything that said if it was or isn't.

Thanks In Advance!!
Andrew

2007 Victory Red Corvette
Callaway Honker CAI | Spinmonster Ported FAST 90mm | LG G6X3 Cam | Trick Flow 225's milled to 62cc | LG Pro Z06 headers | Catless | Z06 B&B Bullets | Mcleod Twin Street with Aluminum Flywheel | RPM Stage III 4.10's, diff, and shafts........497/451 to the rear


#1 LME

LS7 440 CID.
-GM LS7 aluminum block w/ steel main caps
-Callies Compstar 4340 4.100” stroke crankshaft
-Callies 6.125” H beam rods w/ ARP 2000 7/16” bolts
-Wiseco custom forged 4.135” pistons w/ multi fit valve pockets (any compression available)
-NPR stainless chrome top ring, napier 2nd, 3mm HT oil rings (for high heat applications)
-Clevite H series main & rod bearings
-Dura Bond one piece cam bearings
-ARP main studs

LS3 416 CID.
-GM LS3 aluminum block
-Callies Compstar 4340 4.0” stroke crankshaft
-Callies 6.125” H beam rods w/ ARP 2000 7/16” bolts
-Wiseco forged 4.070” nitrous or FI pistons w/ multi fit valve pockets (+5cc,-3cc,-8,-15,-20cc,-32cc available)
-Total Seal stainless chrome top ring, napier 2nd, 3mm HT oil rings (for high heat applications)
-Clevite H series main & rod bearings
-Dura Bond one piece cam bearings
-ARP main studs

#2 Katech

http://www.katechengines.com/street_...tail.php?id=38

#3 Virginia Speed

Callies compstar crank
Callies compstar h beam rods
Diamond or Wiseco pistons
Clevite bearings
ARP main studs
New CNC machine engine block

418 LS3 based
427 LS7 bases

#4 Vengeance Racing

402 quote with parts listed below. Figure roughly $1,000 to $1,500 more if I go with a 418 or 427.

New GM LS2 Block
Callies Compstar 4” Crankshaft
Callies Compstar 6.125 connecting rods
Wiseco forged flat top pistons/moly ring pack
Clevite LS main bearing kit
Clevite rod bearing kit V series
Durabond cam bearing kit for LS
GM blcok kit plugs dowels fittings
ARP main stud kit for LS

#5 Scoggin Dickey

427 (LS3)

GM Block
Scat crank
Scat rods
Manely pistons
Clevite bearings
Durabond cam bearings
LS2 front and valley covers
Billet timing set
All plugs and dowels
Lifter guides
Timing set dampner

If you want to upgrade to a Callies Comp crank add $300 to the price. If you want to upgrade to the “Hell Fire” rings add $100.

#6 CC Performance Parts

LS3 416

Gm LS3 block
Callie Compstar 4.0 crank
Callie Compstar LS1 rods w/ARP 2000 bolts
Diamond LS1 Piston #11546 1.115 CH 2cc FT 4.070 bore
Diamond Pro Select Piston Rings- plasma moly
ACL main bearings for LSX- race bearings
ACL rod bearings for LSX- race bearings
ARP main studs for ls1
GM engine block plugs
Bore and hone W/TQ plates
Line Hone main bores with ARP or OEM fasteners
Set Deck w/ customer pistons and surface to correct for required quench
Balance rotating assembly does not include the price of installing any heavy metal
Total engine assembly

LS3/L92 427

Gm LS3 block
Callie Compstar 4.1 crank
Callie Compstar LS1 rods w/ARP 2000 bolts
Diamond Pistons
Diamond Pro select rings
ACL main bearings for LSX- race bearings
ACL rod bearings for LSX- race bearings
ARP main studs for ls1
GM engine block plugs
Bore and hone W/TQ plates
Line Hone main bores with ARP or OEM fasteners
Set Deck w/ customer pistons and surface to correct for required quench
Balance rotating assembly does not include the price of installing any heavy metal

418

Core 6.0 LS1 block
Callies Compstar 4.1 crank
Callies Compstar LS1 rods w/ARP 2000 bolts
Wiseco -8cc piston
Clevite or Speed Pro Hell fire Rings dependant on application
ACL main bearings for LSX- race bearings
ACL rod bearings for LSX- race bearings
ARP main studs for ls1
GM engine block plugs
Bore and hone W/TQ plates up to .030 over
Line Hone main bores with ARP or OEM fasteners
Set Deck w/ customer pistons and surface to correct for required quench
Balance rotating assembly does not include the price of installing any heavy metal
Assemble engine short block (set all clearances, gap rings, tc)

 

Who wouldn't vote the 440ci?

Yeah, your current top end will choke the **** out of it and it will run like a 416ci, but later when you can afford a good top end that will better feed a 440ci....you can grab a spot into the 600+ RWHP club.

If you get a 416 or whatever engine listed above, don't expect much more than a 30 RWHP gain over your current 497 RWHP.

Cubes need to be fed.

 

never thought of it that way...go for the 440ci then upgrade heads later...damn i am dumb...haha...

 

Check out Livernois also, they where in one of the GM HighTech issues and where stated to have the tightest tollerances. Also remember KaTech has a 20% discount going on right now. Might also give S2performance a call and get some good advice. Just stay away from Weber Racing they don't seem to know how to build a motor, but are great at getting any negative posts removed from this site.

 

Me personally I would go as big as possible now and follow up with the other parts later.

 

anymore votes??

 

440ci...its a very simple choice. Hell, why not go resleeved LS2 454ci

 

haha...cross my fingers and i may go for the 440ci 427...

 

No really...if you have the money to spend on a 440ci and you know later on down the road you'll be upgrading the top end stuff, get the 454ci. No reason not to. It won't cost any more than a 440ci.

454ci = 4.185 bore x 4.125 stroke LS2 block with the new longer Darton sleeves. N/A set up and that stroke and bore is perfectly fine. And if you decide you may want to spray it with a 200-250 shot, you can do that too, just go 4.155 on the bore for a 447ci.

I'm rambling now.......

 

vengeance has made some awesome engines from what ive seen the bigger you go the more expensive EVERYTHING gets so it really is a money issue

 

440ci and a 454ci...should be the same price.

 

who makes the 454ci?

 

i am dumb...found it in the LME thread...haha

 

Any builder can build you a 454ci.

 

Any builder can but dont mean it will be done right I trust Katech and Eric Konig both stiklers for detail.

 

since being here i never found a bad thing on hke-that tells me his attention to detail is way out their-

 

Virginia speed my 402 rocks!

 

much is the price tag on the 440ci and 454ci shortblock????? what internals do they come with at that price?

 

old thread!!!

 

from who...?