Foundry location for GMPP - LSX block???
09-30-2009, 04:37 PM
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I suppose the service I recieved was a little below my expectations- especially as compared to the outstanding service I had recieved from SD in the past. I know they are the top dealer for GMPP in the USA and I have had excellent luck with them prior, so I called them first. I suppose I will work with someone who will make an effort to work with me.
I just now while writing this post got an ETA from another vendor and all it took them was a phone call while I was on hold. Some dude from Summit actually did this for me. Who would have thought...
09-30-2009, 04:53 PM
#23
well dont always believe everything you hear. Summit also has the Street warrior on sale soon too. the reason we can answer with No ETA or something like that is that people call on these things every day and we have alot on order to come in and again these same people call on them every day. if they are avail, when they are, and even the same time i hear about them shipping, not just a yes they are avail, then i will personally tell you myself they are avail and get you one ASAP. it is not just an ambiguous answer.
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09-30-2009, 04:59 PM
#24
Yeah I heard about Summit and the Street Warriors... There was a hilarious thread on here about them being a fabled creature. I took their response with a grain of salt. At any rate, if you think you can get me a good answer on the LSX give me a call anytime 443-523-0166. My name is Andrew.
09-30-2009, 07:12 PM
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I realized this would be an extremely inflamatory post after I entered it. I am known for blurting out what immediately comes to mind in "real life" but I can usually filter it before it hits the keyboard, lol. My apologies,
Larry
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09-30-2009, 09:01 PM
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No problems with the cam bearings. Some were on the low side of spec so they were tight. Fixed that.
No cooling issues unless you have a twin turbo Corvette running around the streets of Vegas in 95+ heat. Hmmm, maybe they need some air flow through the radiator.....
The plugs are all there, maybe if some people didn't remove the dowels from the mains they would not need to source new dowels. Hey, its what they want and we now have dowels available.
Please, get your fact straight before you make mis iinformed comments about the GM Perflormance Parts LSX blck.
Have a good day!
Robin
10-01-2009, 12:15 AM
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I edited my post Robin L. I hit that "reply post" button a little too quickly earlier
I would still like to use an LSX but they have had their fair share of issues. Scoggin posted about the bad blocks and missing plugs, some posted about the bottom end moving around under HIGH hp. Wasn't powdercoating coming off in the coolant passages and early issue as well? (That's a real question, was it?) Not everyone has factory engineers to trouble shoot their builds and I know most LS series engine builders know about any issues and take care of them. I realize I took some of SDPCs posts out of context, maybe I should work for Fox news. My apologies,
Larry
I would still like to use an LSX but they have had their fair share of issues. Scoggin posted about the bad blocks and missing plugs, some posted about the bottom end moving around under HIGH hp. Wasn't powdercoating coming off in the coolant passages and early issue as well? (That's a real question, was it?) Not everyone has factory engineers to trouble shoot their builds and I know most LS series engine builders know about any issues and take care of them. I realize I took some of SDPCs posts out of context, maybe I should work for Fox news. My apologies,Larry
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10-01-2009, 12:38 AM
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Robin,
Anyone with a wide boring bore or stand or fixture like a Kwik-Way EBF for instance has to remove the main dowels to bore these blocks. Thanks do go out to GM from us for making the dowels available in a pack though as it makes it much easier when you do have to remove them.
As Robin has said nothing is perfect but these blocks are a very nice addition to what we have in the LSx world and I think they will only be even better now which is nice. The bigger lifter bosses and better oiling are also very nice.
Robin, you also need to get them to countersink the top two cam plate bolts as well. It's easy for us to do but otherwise you can't run some chains or any double rollers. We use the same GM bolts as come on the newer GM blocks and cam plates and then you can fit any chain.
Anyone with a wide boring bore or stand or fixture like a Kwik-Way EBF for instance has to remove the main dowels to bore these blocks. Thanks do go out to GM from us for making the dowels available in a pack though as it makes it much easier when you do have to remove them.
As Robin has said nothing is perfect but these blocks are a very nice addition to what we have in the LSx world and I think they will only be even better now which is nice. The bigger lifter bosses and better oiling are also very nice.
Robin, you also need to get them to countersink the top two cam plate bolts as well. It's easy for us to do but otherwise you can't run some chains or any double rollers. We use the same GM bolts as come on the newer GM blocks and cam plates and then you can fit any chain.
10-01-2009, 05:08 AM
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They did countersink those bolts and they shrunk the size of that front oil galley cavern by about 2/3 also. It has a few nice little mods for sure.
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Robin,
Anyone with a wide boring bore or stand or fixture like a Kwik-Way EBF for instance has to remove the main dowels to bore these blocks. Thanks do go out to GM from us for making the dowels available in a pack though as it makes it much easier when you do have to remove them.
As Robin has said nothing is perfect but these blocks are a very nice addition to what we have in the LSx world and I think they will only be even better now which is nice. The bigger lifter bosses and better oiling are also very nice.
Robin, you also need to get them to countersink the top two cam plate bolts as well. It's easy for us to do but otherwise you can't run some chains or any double rollers. We use the same GM bolts as come on the newer GM blocks and cam plates and then you can fit any chain.
Anyone with a wide boring bore or stand or fixture like a Kwik-Way EBF for instance has to remove the main dowels to bore these blocks. Thanks do go out to GM from us for making the dowels available in a pack though as it makes it much easier when you do have to remove them.
As Robin has said nothing is perfect but these blocks are a very nice addition to what we have in the LSx world and I think they will only be even better now which is nice. The bigger lifter bosses and better oiling are also very nice.
Robin, you also need to get them to countersink the top two cam plate bolts as well. It's easy for us to do but otherwise you can't run some chains or any double rollers. We use the same GM bolts as come on the newer GM blocks and cam plates and then you can fit any chain.
10-01-2009, 07:05 AM
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I edited my post Robin L. I hit that "reply post" button a little too quickly earlier I would still like to use an LSX but they have had their fair share of issues. Scoggin posted about the bad blocks and missing plugs, some posted about the bottom end moving around under HIGH hp. Wasn't powdercoating coming off in the coolant passages and early issue as well? (That's a real question, was it?) Not everyone has factory engineers to trouble shoot their builds and I know most LS series engine builders know about any issues and take care of them. I realize I took some of SDPCs posts out of context, maybe I should work for Fox news. My apologies,
Larry
I would still like to use an LSX but they have had their fair share of issues. Scoggin posted about the bad blocks and missing plugs, some posted about the bottom end moving around under HIGH hp. Wasn't powdercoating coming off in the coolant passages and early issue as well? (That's a real question, was it?) Not everyone has factory engineers to trouble shoot their builds and I know most LS series engine builders know about any issues and take care of them. I realize I took some of SDPCs posts out of context, maybe I should work for Fox news. My apologies,Larry
I have a lot of respect for Kurt and Erik. These guys live in the real world and deal with the ins and outs of these engines every day.
The engineers and marketing people at GM Performance Parts take what the input from builders such as Kurt and Erik seriously. I don't have a list of the up changes but I can try to find out.
Again I think that the LSX block is a great foundation for a performance build. It's just one of many options.
As Erik pointed out the lifter bore areas are larger and can be bored for larger diameter lifters as well as raised lifters. The OEM blocks that are modified don't have the strength in these areas to support large lifters or big spring pressure.
The oiling certainly is another benifit.
Again just one of many options available out in the LS world.
Thanks
Robin
10-01-2009, 07:32 AM
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"At any rate, if you think you can get me a good answer on the LSX give me a call anytime 443-523-0166. My name is Andrew."
He already explained to you IF and WHEN he gets a better answer all will know. You are coming across as one of those pain in the *** to be customers that will be a constant nightmare no matter what is done for you. I hate this new found mentality that businesses just need to bend over backwards because YOU the customer has some money when the economy is in the shape it is. Scoggin Dickey is a top notch company and shouldn't be lectured on customer service. My .02 as a fellow business owner. Take a chill pill and just WAIT, all you can do, Nobody is going to get one of these blocks any faster. He couldve sugar coated it for you and made up an imaginary date like the "OTHER VENDOR", but he didn't he shot you straight.
He already explained to you IF and WHEN he gets a better answer all will know. You are coming across as one of those pain in the *** to be customers that will be a constant nightmare no matter what is done for you. I hate this new found mentality that businesses just need to bend over backwards because YOU the customer has some money when the economy is in the shape it is. Scoggin Dickey is a top notch company and shouldn't be lectured on customer service. My .02 as a fellow business owner. Take a chill pill and just WAIT, all you can do, Nobody is going to get one of these blocks any faster. He couldve sugar coated it for you and made up an imaginary date like the "OTHER VENDOR", but he didn't he shot you straight.
10-01-2009, 09:24 AM
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LOL @ Ed, calling me cranky...
Ok guys, I have asked for some updates and permission to answer some of the questions here. As you know things such as suppliers or sources are off limits. I can understand the reasons.
I asked how to address a vendor change with regard to the LSX block and I got this response.
"The latest LSX block is not so much about "new" features, as it is about maintaining a constant supply of high-quality blocks. The GEN I LSX block was cast in a GM production foundry overseas. This foundry was excellent in producing aluminum LS blocks, but turned out to be not as good at producing the LSX cast iron block to the GMPP Bowtie standards. After struggling with supply interruptions for over a year, it was determined that the only way to cure the problem was to move production. As a result, the "new" LSX blocks are now poured in the same foundry that produces the Bowtie Big Blocks for GMPP, right here in the USA. The GMPP engineering standards and validation process is much more stringent than anyone else in the aftermarket. By working with our foundry close to home, we can maintain a constant dialogue, as well as more closely monitor the casting process at every step of the way. It's real simple: If you start with a less-than-perfect casting, you're not going to be able to machine a finished product to the standards that GMPP designs and our customers expect.
We are confident that these changes, although painfully slow, will guarantee that LSX Bowtie blocks are available daily on demand for years to come."
After reading that I felt as though I could not have said it any better.
The key to control the quality that we deliver to the customer.
Thanks
Robin
P.S. as soon as I get any updates on supply I will let you know. But I will call John at SDPC first.
Ok guys, I have asked for some updates and permission to answer some of the questions here. As you know things such as suppliers or sources are off limits. I can understand the reasons.
I asked how to address a vendor change with regard to the LSX block and I got this response.
"The latest LSX block is not so much about "new" features, as it is about maintaining a constant supply of high-quality blocks. The GEN I LSX block was cast in a GM production foundry overseas. This foundry was excellent in producing aluminum LS blocks, but turned out to be not as good at producing the LSX cast iron block to the GMPP Bowtie standards. After struggling with supply interruptions for over a year, it was determined that the only way to cure the problem was to move production. As a result, the "new" LSX blocks are now poured in the same foundry that produces the Bowtie Big Blocks for GMPP, right here in the USA. The GMPP engineering standards and validation process is much more stringent than anyone else in the aftermarket. By working with our foundry close to home, we can maintain a constant dialogue, as well as more closely monitor the casting process at every step of the way. It's real simple: If you start with a less-than-perfect casting, you're not going to be able to machine a finished product to the standards that GMPP designs and our customers expect.
We are confident that these changes, although painfully slow, will guarantee that LSX Bowtie blocks are available daily on demand for years to come."
After reading that I felt as though I could not have said it any better.
The key to control the quality that we deliver to the customer.
Thanks
Robin
P.S. as soon as I get any updates on supply I will let you know. But I will call John at SDPC first.
Last edited by Robin L; 10-01-2009 at 10:23 AM.
