When the block came to me it had 3000 miles on it and a broken piston. I did no other work to it other than the tear down. when it returned to me i honed one cylinder and mocked it up. PROBLEM FOUND. There are other customers who wish to remain unknown at this time but we have spoke.

 

I think everyone questioning Jeremy needs to realize one thing.
1. He got his money back
2. He has nothing to gain by posting this
3. Why would he commit fraud with nothing to gain

He is posting this for those who may be buying one of these blocks. If noone ever posted negative anyone could get screwed. Knowledge is power and he doesn't have to prove a damn thing to anyone. Use it how you want and STFU. He's just trying to help.

 

Maybe the lesson in this situation is: have everything you want a shop to do...in writing. Then when something is done or not done without your permission there is absolutely no doubt who is stuck paying for it. If that work happens to be the cause of any problem that arises from that work.....that shop must do whatever it takes to fix the problem.

Contracts.....a 1,000+ year old practice.....its still the best thing on earth.

I see this as a misunderstanding between two parties. Might have taken a bit to long to get it settled but ERL did fix it. ERL is an obvious good shop, I've talked with them about a build recently. If I wanted their product I would have no problem using them in the future. Just have things in writing....it protects and supports both parties equally.

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You're right, I was not in all the conversations. I did have many conversations with ERL including many Conference calls with both my builder and ERL present. At no point did I ever tell ERL to clearance my block. Sean and I have discussed how there may have been a miscommunication between himself and Seth when my build was handed over to Sean because Seth was going on vacation. Its like a game of Telephone and I'll be the first to tell you too many people had their hands in the cookie jar. Lets forget the clearancing and take a look at how I was handled after the problem was brought up.

I was writing this thread as a business review of the experience I had with ERL, as well as the customer service I received after said problem was brought to light. I guess I am wrong for trying to inform people of the service I had received. I said it many times before. ERL has had many happy customers and many fast cars running their stuff. This is the first bad thing I have heard of them and its a shame it had to happen to me. I am not trying to knock ERL's machining so much as the service I received after the fact. HELL, I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO RUN ONE OF THEIR BLOCKS. There is no doubt they do some bad *** work (look at the ohio boys, mighymouse, and others. Many cars LSX shootout had an ERL setup). I gave them a shot at correcting the problem and they felt it was best to refund me and send me a new block. Thank you Sean (no sarcasm at all). You could have chosen to not refund me and take things in another route. Hopefully we can both learn and grow from this situation.

Oh and for the record LSmonster, I took my money back. I never stole anything from ERL. I sent them a block and paid for work. They sent me a block and paid me my own money back. I also paid shipping so they arent out that. Get it???

If you guys would like me to erase all this I will. Not a problem. I just wanted people to be informed. Once again ERL does great machining and has many happy customers out there. I wish you guys the best Sean.

Jeremy aka the shyster aka a fraudulant GTO owner looking for a quick buck. aka insert whatever name you want here _______________________.

 

Agreed. We all fucked up and now I dont have a 6 bolt superdeck to throw in my car because of that miscommunication (still pissed I dont get to use one). I will leave it at that and be done with this. This is not a smear campaign and was never intended to be - I am not going to every damn forum out there and posting this. Its just my experience.

I guess we got off on the wrong foot and I apologize Sean.

MODS IF YOU WANNA LOCK IT DOWN GO AHEAD.

 

Its not defamation to express or report a consumer complaint (public complaint)that a person has paid for or not receive services reasonably expected in which money has exchanged hands. Now calling him a rapist without someone making a rape complaint is another story.

 

I don't think it should be deleted. It's an experience that you had, and others should hear about, to use as a learning tool for all.

edit.... What I meant to say..... "lot's to learn by everyone involved!"

 

Man **** happens he got his money and the block back end of story. I can understand if 12 people posted problems about erl then I would think twice. But I have spoken with them over the phone about my next build and they are the type of people who wont just sell you somthing for a quick buck. I have away of talking to people who I make them think I dont know **** then the bullshit comes out and they end up looking stupid. There was only one vendor who tried to sell me a stock ls1 and told me it will hold 1k to the wheels allday......

 

Glad to see you got your money back, a non-sponsor screwed me out of $4K 3 years ago. Then expected me to send the shortblock back at my exspense to see if they felt it was "my fault" or not. I didn't do any of the machine work or assembly. I installed my heads & cam, engine covers, etc. I had a local shop pull it apart to inspect the damage. Pretty much everything was trash and I had to start over. The local shop that did the tear down has built my current shortblock, guess what? It's still holding together just fine. The shop in question had the audacity to call the local shop in question "yokels."

Cliff notes, paid $4K for a "pro built" engine - it lasts a whopping 200 miles. No track passes, conservative tune, never saw more than 4K RPM @ part throttle. My current short block built by a "yokel" has over 6K miles, many track passes, and was even daily driven for a stint to prove it's reliability.

Mistakes happen, it's all how those mistakes are dealt with. In retrospect, I wish I had posted a thread and pictures online. I might have gotten an oil change and some gaskets out of it.

 

you are not getting the point. he isnt saying he didnt get the money back or a block. he is warning others of how they can be treated if ERL messes up. sure most guys on here are going to say that they had good experiences with ERL. But only because they didnt get a bad clearancing job on the sleeves. and they were specifically told not to do anything but install the sleeves. they basically grinded the sleeves down to match the clearance job done already when they received the block, mistake, they were told not to. sure it might have been in good intentions. the point about this thread is how they handled the situation. in a grade scale from A to F, i would say they get a D- and they are not getting an F because they actually refunded the money.

I know ERL is a good shop, but I'am disapointed in how they handled this situation.

 

Thank you!! you hit it right on the money

 

what happened to today's posts? i posted a response in defense of jeremy and so did t bones goat.

 

You noticed that as well.....

 

It looks like the mods cleaned up the threads.

1) Both sides have had their say.

2) It looks like Jeremy and Sean have spoken since this thread was born, and have agreed to chalk it up to experience and move on amicably.

3) ERL has added new procedures for formal approval of additional work prior to it being done.

4) Jeremy has a Warhawk being built by G engines.

Both sides seem like good well intentioned guys in the middle of a bad situation. BOTH of them lost out on the deal. No one came out ahead, except for the learning experience.

 

Not surprised, my post was deleted as well. If bad things are said about a sponsor (even though its the TRUTH), the mods of LS1tech.com will "clean it up" so there is less of a chance of a PAYING sponsor pulling out. It's all about the money, not like it was 5+ years ago....

 

that is why i did not post about epp and the major problem i had with them or jeremy's problem with erl and others that had trouble with schwanke. i guess the site does not care if the paying sponsors screw up members builds and cost members money.

 

i think the mods clean it up becuase one bad experience and eveyone keep saying the same thing over and over and over, should have asponsor leave. idk many of the mods that get paid. they just try to keep this site up and running.

look at every sponsor on the right. not one is perfect. so if everyone of them left after someone had a bad experience. cause everyone just keep going. this site would get shut down.

it is just the mods way of keeping it up for a tech people.

 

It wasn't a moderator that removed the comments - it was me.
I removed comments not to "cover up" a sponsors issue (I think the facts in this thread and those posted HERE still make it pretty clear about the existence of an issue).

The comments were removed because it was a whole lot of bitching and moaning and "he said - she said", and "I agree with Barry" or "I agree with John" and it added absolutely no value to the discussion.

The main points (and really the only important items)

1. Customer had a legitimate issue with ERL
2. Issue has been addressed (as I understand to the customers satisfaction)
3. Details have been documented and are available for everyone to read

Everyone else throwing in their 10c doesn't help this user get his issue resolved, nor is it fair to a company that appear to have ultimately sorted the issue out.

 

Yup, Adrian is the one who deleted/cleaned it. ERL had nothing to do with it; Sean and I both agreed to keep this thread open and lock it. Still don't know why its not locked yet. As far as I'm concerned this is over and done.

 

Couldn't said it better myself! My bud ramairws6 got banned for a month from here for getting the facts out there about one of the shoddy sponsers on here. All the posts and threads were either cleaned up or deleted. What a bunch of crap around here!!