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Old 12-12-2010, 09:01 PM
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I put together a table for everybody to see the comparison, definately recommend buying the magazine to see the dyno graphs and Fast/Carb comparo.

Really shows that CFM numbers and port sizes mean very little to the actual power they will put down. The SDPC heads are definately considered the winner IMO.
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i seen it..............
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Very cool test! The Scoggins stuff does kick butt.

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HMMMmmmmmmm,
now take the same 468 shortblock with 12.2 comp,same basic cam,and throw a quality 245cc cathedral port head onit,with a good ported super vic intake and a diminator and lets see how close the number will be

id bet closer than you think
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Crossbreed , That would be a good test.
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Although WCCH does awesome work, they also had a bigger intake valve and slightly bigger exhaust valves. All of the GM cast heads performed pretty respectable some were better in other places than others and the consumer that buys these will not be disappointed thats for sure! GMPP 1500, SDCP 1520 and LPE for 1600 bux damn! Thats cheaper than my as cast TFS heads that I had!
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Originally Posted by crossbreed383
HMMMmmmmmmm,
now take the same 468 shortblock with 12.2 comp,same basic cam,and throw a quality 245cc cathedral port head onit,with a good ported super vic intake and a diminator and lets see how close the number will be

id bet closer than you think
Yeah true but whats the price of a an AFR or TFS 245 vs. a rect port. If I can get the same end result cheaper then I am going that route.
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Originally Posted by Mike454SS
I can only find the catherdral port head article here http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/e...est/index.html
That was in last months edition the article in question is in the current edition (FEB) that just hit the new stands...Why don't you just subscribe to Hot Rod Magazine...it is the best gear head publication for over 50 years...$20 will get you 2 years....that is $.84 an issue .... ... Plus they sponsor the Hot Rod Power Tour, the Hot Rod Drag Week and a few other kool events during the year... support your hobby/sport before the dam government outlaws everything you love and care about..

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Originally Posted by camz28arro
I put together a table for everybody to see the comparison, definately recommend buying the magazine to see the dyno graphs and Fast/Carb comparo.

Really shows that CFM numbers and port sizes mean very little to the actual power they will put down. The SDPC heads are definately considered the winner IMO.
Thanks for putting that table together for those of us that don't have the magazine.
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Originally Posted by litle88
Although WCCH does awesome work, they also had a bigger intake valve and slightly bigger exhaust valves. All of the GM cast heads performed pretty respectable some were better in other places than others and the consumer that buys these will not be disappointed thats for sure! GMPP 1500, SDCP 1520 and LPE for 1600 bux damn! Thats cheaper than my as cast TFS heads that I had!
Those look like Richard's Stage 2 heads from the flow numbers. The WCCH Stage 2 use the stock 2.165 intake valve size. His Stage 3 heads use the 2.200 intake valve and flow right with the MAST heads.
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isn't that pi intake like 1,500 + bucks : ( ?
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Flow is over-rated. The 12* style combustion chamber is worth more power than anyone even bothers to mention.

EDIT: GMPP is a good deal, but most of those other heads come with performance: springs, locks, TI retainers, performance seals, ect where the GMPP comes with OE parts. It should be added to the cost.
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One thing I feel is unfair in the test is the fact they used the Mast large bore heads instead of their medium bore heads. Obviously the large bore ones will flow more and make some more hp. A true test would've kept the constant variable of all them fitting on a 4" bore. Too bad the wcch stage 3's were not tested. I bet they would've performed right with the Mast heads.
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I don't have the arcticle yet up here in Canada. So are you saying that everyone else used their 4.00 bore heads on a bore that was over 4.100 and mast used their large bore heads?
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Originally Posted by allblowdup
I don't have the arcticle yet up here in Canada. So are you saying that everyone else used their 4.00 bore heads on a bore that was over 4.100 and mast used their large bore heads?
Exactly.
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Originally Posted by briancb1
Flow is over-rated. The 12* style combustion chamber is worth more power than anyone even bothers to mention.

EDIT: GMPP is a good deal, but most of those other heads come with performance: springs, locks, TI retainers, performance seals, ect where the GMPP comes with OE parts. It should be added to the cost.


100% agree - Having the 12 degree head wasn't playing equal to the others. If that was the case they should of included WCCH LS7's or the ALL-PRO's Both are 12* heads that have been around for some time.

My guess All-Pro would get them all
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Originally Posted by WKMCD
Those look like Richard's Stage 2 heads from the flow numbers. The WCCH Stage 2 use the stock 2.165 intake valve size. His Stage 3 heads use the 2.200 intake valve and flow right with the MAST heads.
If the WCCH heads had 2.200" valves, which the heads in this test did, wouldn't that make them a Stg 3? Seems like it would to me...

Interesting to me that the TEA heads flowed so well everywhere, but yet wasn't at the very top of the stock valve diameter heap. I think it goes back to dyno correction factors. Dyno one in the cool of the night, another during the heat of the day, correction factors only go so far...
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Very surprised to see how well the budget SDPC heads did...pretty good value. Remember guys, this is a car mag, and while you can't totally throw out the results, limiting the selection of heads, dyno variation, etc etc do limit the ABSOLUTE validity. Just like a clinical trial, unless you control for EVERYTHING, its really tought to say its 100%. Still very good info and adds to the wealth of LSX info out there to help folks make intelligent choices.
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One thing I feel is unfair in the test is the fact they used the Mast large bore heads instead of their medium bore heads. Obviously the large bore ones will flow more and make some more hp. A true test would've kept the constant variable of all them fitting on a 4" bore. Too bad the wcch stage 3's were not tested. I bet they would've performed right with the Mast heads.
Nothing against the mast heads but I noticed they were the only head to have a 1.8 rocker which substantially improved the cams performance. Without that the peak power of the mast would have been closer to the other heads. I think this engine would be better with 2 in headers. As has already been said it is about the combo and not just the flow. Thanks Hot Rod these heads up tests give us consumers out here much more unbiased info than we get on the forums.
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Originally Posted by ChucksZ06
Thanks Hot Rod these heads up tests give us consumers out here much more unbiased info than we get on the forums.
Amen, Cudos to Richard Holdener and Rob Kinnan for having the cojones to do such a story.


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