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Old 07-02-2011, 02:17 AM
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Ok Guys need your help: 2002 Trans Am

I am running a 427 Short block (LS7 block), 42lb injectors, Stage 5x heads and cam and 3.73 gears. And a whole bunch of other parts.

Main problem is it is dumping fuel like crazy, i am getting about 9 miles to the gallon at normal high way cruizing. No black smoke at WOT but everything smells like fuel.

I can't take it . Everything was put together by a very reputable shop and according to them fuel smell is because of the CAM .

Shouldn't this be able to be tuned correctly to address the problem? (the shop says that those specific parameters are locked out and can't be adjusted )

Any thoughts?
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To be blunt............. get a new tuner. Almost everything is accessible in the tune. Should get much much better mileage than that. May get a fuellie smell at idle but not at cruise or anything over 1400+rpm, especially with those injectors.
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I would hope you have a wideband in the car. If you do what is the AFR's? I guess is the injectors are not scaled correclty and it is dumping fuel.

There is not to many radical cams that can't be tuned with street manners. I think the tuner needs to be fired. Start over from witha fresh tune.
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Thanks guys, the part that is killing me is it is a reputable shop.

I will ask for the AFR's

I live in NY , can anyone recommend a solid tuner that can do this right?
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I agree about getting another tuner but I have a question: Are you running cats? If not, with moderate overlap in the cam, it's going to smell.
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WLMCD thanks for the input, I am running high flow cats. Trust me I can tolerate the fuel smell to a point, after a drive my clothes smell like fuel . Cold start in garage eyes burn with garage door open.

Again I have taken it to the shop and we had wide band pulls and they claim everything looked fine. But 9 mpg , I just can't believe it has been setup right.
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Full thottle AFR could be perfect and still dump tons of fuel at part throttle. My small cam has 10 degrees of overlap and I have no smell - anytime.

Find another tuner.
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Thanks, still leaves me the one big question. Where can i find a tuner who knows what he is doing?

I am located in NYC.. Willing to go practically anywhere to get this done right.
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Originally Posted by XR70TA
Thanks, still leaves me the one big question. Where can i find a tuner who knows what he is doing?

I am located in NYC.. Willing to go practically anywhere to get this done right.
You've got Vette Dr's, ECS and Don Kidner (SLOWHAWK) all within a few hours drive. My preference would probably be Don. PM me who's doing the tuning now.
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Originally Posted by WKMCD
You've got Vette Dr's, ECS and Don Kidner (SLOWHAWK) all within a few hours drive. My preference would probably be Don. PM me who's doing the tuning now.
I can guess who it is on the first guess.
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Whoever is tuning the car right now, I don't thi it should be kept secret through PM. I know they are trying to run a business but whole point of this forum is for the hobbyists and other people like the original poster, looking for the best info, parts, and people took there hobby mor enjoyable. If this tuner isn't top notch, the name should be public. Just my $0.02 worth...
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Couldn't agree with you more, but my situation is a little bit more complicated. And would want to get a second opinion first and will post what happens.
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Originally Posted by XR70TA
Couldn't agree with you more, but my situation is a little bit more complicated. And would want to get a second opinion first and will post what happens.
I'd talk to whichever shop you're going with...Vette Doctors and ECS I'm familiar with and can recommend either with confidence...and see if they'll do a mail-order tune first.

This will get you in the ballpark so you can drive it to their shop without contaminating your oil w/ raw gas and destroying your new engine.

Get a mail order tune w/ the injectors and engine displacement volume configured properly, change the oil, then drive it to the shop for precise tuning.
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Isn't Chuck Cow from Vettedoctors?
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Wow, I hear bad stuff about that guy all over the place.
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Originally Posted by Jimbo1367
Isn't Chuck Cow from Vettedoctors?
The "COW" stands for Corvettes of Westchester, a different business.
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Originally Posted by Jimbo1367
Isn't Chuck Cow from Vettedoctors?
You now owe Vette Dr's a serious apology...
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Originally Posted by WKMCD
You now owe Vette Dr's a serious apology...
LOL. Chuck C.O.W. must be as bad as I heard/read. My bad.
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Originally Posted by crainholio
The "COW" stands for Corvettes of Westchester, a different business.
Ok, thanks for the heads up.
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Originally Posted by Jimbo1367
Ok, thanks for the heads up.
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