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Has anyone ran a 224/228 on a L92?

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Old 08-22-2012, 06:31 PM
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I just picked up 2 more cams. One is an LS9 cam the other is a Cheatr cam. What's the opinions on the Cheatr? 214/230 .601/.578 117 LSA?
The LS9 is very similar but smaller 211/230 562/.558 122.5
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The ls9 cam is setup for a blower, offering little to no overlap or even negative. This will drive your dynamic compression ratio up. I would strongly suggest a custom cam from EPS. He has awesome cams for rectangle port heads from mild to wild.
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Originally Posted by bww3588
The ls9 cam is setup for a blower, offering little to no overlap or even negative. This will drive your dynamic compression ratio up. I would strongly suggest a custom cam from EPS. He has awesome cams for rectangle port heads from mild to wild.
It's not a huge power monster but it does give some improvement. Plus if I boost it's already in there.
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True. But I think a call to Geoff@eps is worth it.
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I have the 224/228 you mentioned on L92 heads...........and well.

Change your cam.

I'll just leave it at that.

As a side note Anyone know how much duration one can use on .030 milled L92 without smacking the top of the piston?
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It's not the lift really that you should be concerned with, it's more of the LSA really. What cam are you looking at? What's your setup?
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Originally Posted by 99socalFRC
I have the 224/228 you mentioned on L92 heads...........and well.

Change your cam.

I'll just leave it at that.

As a side note Anyone know how much duration one can use on .030 milled L92 without smacking the top of the piston?
huh? looking at your sig, you got a fast gto. is it on another motor?

i did alot of research before i decided on a cam for my lq9 with ls3 heads so i looked for 6.0s with l92/ls3 heads.

i saw pat g customer have great succes with a comp lsr 223 231 610 617 113+4 cam make 460/446 in a ls2/l92s vette.

some fella with a lq4/l92s with eps 226-234 598 600 113+4 cam make 466/440.

another fella with ls2/ls3s with eps 226-234 113+4 cam make 457/433 in a t/a.

spinmonster on corvette forum with ls2/ls3s with comp 230-234 612 598 114+4 make 471/? in a vette (duh...corvette forum). also recommend 228-232 588 595 114+4 for automatics make 465/?. spinmonster stands by his dyno and dd testing.

have read the katech torquer with 224 236 forgot lift and lsa is very good dd.

me personally, the 223-231 combo seemed great for what like you are looking for but i felt it would be too torquey and me being in a truck with light rear i figured i have too much traction issues. so i went with a comp 228 232 588 595 114+4 to move up my power band a little. i already had the same cam but on a 111 on my prior lq4 with 243s and loved the powerband so figure i will be where i want to be at.

one thing to notice is with the exception of the katech torquer all cams i mentioned have a 4 to 8 degree split. now spinmonster recommends porting the exhaust ports and bowls ONLY of the heads and i did do that myself.

i personally believe your 224-228 or the cheater cam will work well. cheaper to go with what you got but to each their own and i respect everyone's opinion.
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EPS spec'd me a 230/242 .606 .600 114 for my 6.0 with ls3 heads.

He told me he has that cam in ls3 5th gen's making 500 to the wheels. Cam only...
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That's a nice cam he specd you out bud!
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Originally Posted by bww3588
EPS spec'd me a 230/242 .606 .600 114 for my 6.0 with ls3 heads.

He told me he has that cam in ls3 5th gen's making 500 to the wheels. Cam only...
no P2V issues with a cam that big?
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Not in my engine. I have wiseco's with valve reliefs. But he said the 5th gen's were cam only . There is not a whole lot of duration on the exhaust and the lsa is pretty wide.
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Originally Posted by 99socalFRC
I have the 224/228 you mentioned on L92 heads...........and well.

Change your cam.

I'll just leave it at that.

As a side note Anyone know how much duration one can use on .030 milled L92 without smacking the top of the piston?
What vehicle do you have this combo on?
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Originally Posted by litle88
It's not the lift really that you should be concerned with, it's more of the LSA really. What cam are you looking at? What's your setup?

I agree about the lift. I have the LS3 heads milled .030 with the 224/228 mentioned.

Basically what would anyone call "the best cam" for such a setup with comfortable PTV. The car has 70K on the clock and is driven every day, I mean EVERY DAY. So every choice I've made with it keeps that in mind.

I'm considering the 223/231 610 617 cam. Don't really know if it is worth changing though.
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Originally Posted by low2001gmc
huh? looking at your sig, you got a fast gto. is it on another motor?

No it's the one in my GTO. The time in my sig was a nitrous pass on the 243's.

My best on motor with 243's was 11.90
My best on motor with L92's is 11.82

Like I said probably I am not the guy one should take advice from on this swap, it just hasn't been worth the $$$ or trouble to this point.

I know there are a handful of guys running 11.2 and 11.3 with this setup, they are the exception not the rule. I've run my car down the track probably 300 times and IMO my rectangle ports are not exactly kicking the **** out of my box stock 243's.

FWIW we did the same swap on an 06 GTO with the 223/231 cam, That car went 11.77. You can count all the goats breaking 11.70 with this setup on one hand.

The swap makes sense (for example I like that I can use the LS3 injector now, which is a nice upgrade over the LS2) and it is cost effective, I'm just convinced the rectangle ports need the 6.2L do really do their thing. And that the dyno numbers for some reason don't always carry to the track. Again the whole thing is like pin the tail on donkey, one builder will tell you you need 10 degress of split, another will tell you that zero split will work, one will tell you valve shrouding is a problem and the next will say not to worry. For every rectangle port head that goes on a car and runs like a wicked mother there is another that just doesn't seem to do the same.

Again, just my .02.
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Originally Posted by 99socalFRC
For every rectangle port head that goes on a car and runs like a wicked mother there is another that just doesn't seem to do the same.

Again, just my .02.
it's mostly in the tune.
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Originally Posted by 99socalFRC
No it's the one in my GTO. The time in my sig was a nitrous pass on the 243's.

My best on motor with 243's was 11.90
My best on motor with L92's is 11.82

Like I said probably I am not the guy one should take advice from on this swap, it just hasn't been worth the $$$ or trouble to this point.

I know there are a handful of guys running 11.2 and 11.3 with this setup, they are the exception not the rule. I've run my car down the track probably 300 times and IMO my rectangle ports are not exactly kicking the **** out of my box stock 243's.

FWIW we did the same swap on an 06 GTO with the 223/231 cam, That car went 11.77. You can count all the goats breaking 11.70 with this setup on one hand.

The swap makes sense (for example I like that I can use the LS3 injector now, which is a nice upgrade over the LS2) and it is cost effective, I'm just convinced the rectangle ports need the 6.2L do really do their thing. And that the dyno numbers for some reason don't always carry to the track. Again the whole thing is like pin the tail on donkey, one builder will tell you you need 10 degress of split, another will tell you that zero split will work, one will tell you valve shrouding is a problem and the next will say not to worry. For every rectangle port head that goes on a car and runs like a wicked mother there is another that just doesn't seem to do the same.

Again, just my .02.
Well I kinda made up my mind about what cam to run. It's almost the same cam that I have I just purchased Livernois Motorsports Stage 1 L92.
224/230 .581/.590 114 I'll see how it goes. Waiting on PRC springs to arrive to send heads out to get milled (0.20 or 0.30) with stock LS3 gaskets. Also will be installing LS3 int valves.



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